Ed Young Jr on the warpath
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Supersillymanable
Puritan Board Freshman
This is why Paul Washer so often points out that many pastors in the SBC are sending people straight to hell (just to clarify, he is part of the SBC).
2,600 in a year? If that's a genuine move of God, that's revival. But no one's talking about it. Why? Because it's not a genuine move of God. He's baptising people and assuring them they're going to heaven, to which thy go back and carry on their lives, right on the wide road to hell! They treat salvation like a flu shot. Pray your prayer, now you're definitely going to heaven. He should never have become a pastor. He should've spent more time reading the bible and less time preaching. If he was preaching the gospel properly, maybe he'd have 26 genuine converts to baptise in the year.
2,600 in a year? If that's a genuine move of God, that's revival. But no one's talking about it. Why? Because it's not a genuine move of God. He's baptising people and assuring them they're going to heaven, to which thy go back and carry on their lives, right on the wide road to hell! They treat salvation like a flu shot. Pray your prayer, now you're definitely going to heaven. He should never have become a pastor. He should've spent more time reading the bible and less time preaching. If he was preaching the gospel properly, maybe he'd have 26 genuine converts to baptise in the year.
arapahoepark
Puritan Board Professor
I would like to apologize for my earlier statements, I didn't mean to bash the SBC. I got a little carried away because of Ed Young Jr boiling my blood. The SBC deserves a far better pastor than him.
JoannaV
Puritan Board Sophomore
It's big. There are some good SBC churches and some ok SBC churches. An individual Baptist looking for a church may well investigate the SBC among others, especially in an area where there aren't many other options. A church is unlikely to disassociate themselves from the SBC unless an issue arises that forces them to evaluate their position. I'm not personally aware of many good Baptist churches who are actually seeking to join the SBC, but perhaps I am wrong??
Jeff Burns
Puritan Board Freshman
1. It's one of a very very few denominations to be on the brink of a full plunge into liberalism to have returned: think conservative resurgence of the late 1980s/ early 1990s. (Now, there are many churches that are still liberal, but the convention as a whole and the seminaries were turned around).
2. Cooperative program.
3. Seminary on the cheap. Being a member of a SBC church cuts your cost literally in half (or more) if you attend a SBC seminary. If you're a baptist church and are near a SBC seminary, you will be doing your seminarians a great service by associating formally w/ the SBC.
So, is that enough for me to be SBC? No. I'm glad I'm not in the SBC because of all of the nonsense and party politics involved in the convention. But, you asked for reasons why so many are, and I think that those are pretty widely held reasons.
Gforce9
Puritan Board Junior
+1
SolaSaint
Puritan Board Sophomore
I couldn't believe his arrogance, saying he could close down all the Dallas churches since his church is so talented and that he had the ability to do it. Then he rants about kknowing Greek and hebrew and theology and I don't think he quoted any scripture or expounded upon any scripture at all? This is really puzzling, and what is sadder is that thousands follow him.
Bill The Baptist
Puritan Board Graduate
I think Paul warned Timothy about these kinds of "teachers", "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables." 2 Tim. 4:3-4
Marrow Man
Drunk with Powder
He did quote about 1/3 of John 3:16 and say "whosoever" about half a dozen times.
21st Century Calvinist
Puritan Board Junior
The whole video is shameful. What was amusing is that he kept referring to Calvinists as hip people with skinny jeans. That seems to touch a raw nerve with Mr Young! The entire 12 minutes were all about him- his ability, knowledge, beliefs, etc. For one so knowledgable perhaps he should use that knowledge and refute Calvinism from the Scripture. But then again he can't! Instead all he does is go on a rant and knock down straw men.
SolaSaint
Puritan Board Sophomore
\A hearty AMEN Brother
reaganmarsh
Puritan Board Senior
Don't forget:
4. Al Mohler, Tom Nettles, Tom Schreiner, & Shawn Wright, the 4 Calvinistic heavyweights at SBTS.
5. Tom Ascol and Founders.
6. The slowly-but-surely growing number of Calvinistic pastors.
7. The slowly-but-surely increasing returnees to the Abstract of Principles (based on the Philadelphia/2LBC) & confessional theology. (I didn't say confessional practice [i.e., RPW]...that won't be for a while yet, I am guessing.)
There are problems in the SBC, undoubtedly. But the growing number of Gospel-minded men who are seeking to have expositional preaching from a Calvinistic framework is encouraging.
Note that I am not defending our errors as a Convention, and I often grow weary of the tightropes one must walk amongst some in SBC circles. More to the point of our present thread, I also often wish for some option to see denominational discipline upon pastors such as EYjr.
4. Al Mohler, Tom Nettles, Tom Schreiner, & Shawn Wright, the 4 Calvinistic heavyweights at SBTS.
5. Tom Ascol and Founders.
6. The slowly-but-surely growing number of Calvinistic pastors.
7. The slowly-but-surely increasing returnees to the Abstract of Principles (based on the Philadelphia/2LBC) & confessional theology. (I didn't say confessional practice [i.e., RPW]...that won't be for a while yet, I am guessing.)
There are problems in the SBC, undoubtedly. But the growing number of Gospel-minded men who are seeking to have expositional preaching from a Calvinistic framework is encouraging.
Note that I am not defending our errors as a Convention, and I often grow weary of the tightropes one must walk amongst some in SBC circles. More to the point of our present thread, I also often wish for some option to see denominational discipline upon pastors such as EYjr.
rookie
Puritan Board Junior
I was going to say this, but you beat me to it....Sadly, I am starting to think that the solid teachers are in the minority....I pray daily for the leaders in my church, PB, and my favorite preachers. That God would keep them faithful and strong in the opposition.
That's right, I said it, that God would keep them faithful, not themselves, in their own abilities........that was my rant against Mr. Young, our preachers don't have talent, they have God....
DMcFadden
Puritanboard Commissioner
Not being SBC, I have never followed Rev. Young very much. However, after watching the YouTube tour of his mansion (his "crib") and his hard to describe adolescent patter about all of the rooms done by a fellow 50-something . . . hmmmmmm. I think I'll pass on any of his theological explanations.
Jeff Burns
Puritan Board Freshman
We could also add:
8. The Great Commission Resurgence: the self titled reemphasis on missions and missionary sending of SEBTS president Danny Akin.
9. The history of Calvinistic thought amongst the founders of the SBC (great little book out there called "Southern Baptists and the Doctrine of Election" provides a ton of source quotes of early SBCers who upheld the doctrines of grace).
10. A nationally respected name "SBC" that stands for conservative values. In fact, the SBC recently entertained a name change in order to be less regionally perceived, and ultimately opted against it b/c of the reputation that goes along w/ the name Southern Baptist.
11. Appointment of a black president of the convention, Fred Luther: significant and commendable for an organization once stigmatized by racist undertones.
11. Pot Luck dinners. Seriously, who wouldn't want to be a part those! Yum!!
I grew up in the SBC and until last spring (2011) have always been a member of an SBC church. I also attended an SBC seminary. Would I go back? Probably not. But, there's a lot of good going on there. Unfortunately there's also a lot of bad (EYJr. rant for example, and the recent document attacking Calvinism signed by many big names in the SBC, including the president of SWBTS, little to no discernment regarding what makes it on the shelves at their Lifeway bookstores, etc. etc.).
Bill The Baptist
Puritan Board Graduate
Ed Young may technically be in the SBC, but it is clear from this video who he really looks up to. Ed Young and Joel Osteen - YouTube
Curt
Puritan Board Graduate
OK, I just got around to watching that video (actually I watched the first one, too). I got a whole six minutes in before giving it up. A number of observations.
1. He prefers Joel Osteen to Reformed Theology. (I should put "case closed" after that one).
2. In my 30 years as a pastor, I NEVER wanted to be in Osteen's auditorium, or one like it. (These two are from the first video).
3. I have never work skinny jeans.
4. I HAVE evangelized. At my last church the first 22 evening sermons were on Evangelism. I taught it and I led people in doing it.
5. I DO know when election began - "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world." (Eph. 1:4).
6. I have never portrayed myself as cool. For crying out loud, we used hymnals!
7. I have a clue what being Reformed is about. Ed Young does not.
OK, enough for now. Go back to your cool salons, etc.
1. He prefers Joel Osteen to Reformed Theology. (I should put "case closed" after that one).
2. In my 30 years as a pastor, I NEVER wanted to be in Osteen's auditorium, or one like it. (These two are from the first video).
3. I have never work skinny jeans.
4. I HAVE evangelized. At my last church the first 22 evening sermons were on Evangelism. I taught it and I led people in doing it.
5. I DO know when election began - "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world." (Eph. 1:4).
6. I have never portrayed myself as cool. For crying out loud, we used hymnals!
7. I have a clue what being Reformed is about. Ed Young does not.
OK, enough for now. Go back to your cool salons, etc.
By this do you mean 'social' values or 'theological' values?
Jeff Burns
Puritan Board Freshman
Good question... I would be comfortable saying primarily social values and to a lesser degree theological.
Let me explain:
On the social front, Southern Baptists are known for being pro-life, pro-traditional definitions of marriage, against social ills like substance abuse, gambling, etc. ("I don't smoke, drink, or chew, and I don't go w/ girls who do.") and are largely republican. So, they would tend to favor positions espoused by the GOP. However, I'm sure amongst many SB's there's a growing contingency of Tea Party folk and independant Ron Paul types. This is obviously painting with a very broad brush, but I think it's accurate overall.
On the theological front, Southern Baptists have been historically commited to the inerrancy of Scripture, especially after the conservative resurgence. They may not practice the sufficiency of Scripture as we here on the PB would like, but at least they're not practicing deconstructionist hermeneutics, by and large. They also would be largely for orthodox understandings of things like the atonement (vicarious, penal substitution), salvation (even if they distort it w/ the sinners prayer and decisionism), the reality of miracles in the NT (contra Barth and the German rationalists), the list could go on and on. As was mentioned above, the Abstract of Prinicples is a very good document and many SBC churches claim to hold to it.
So, as I was saying in pt. 10, the name SBC carries some weight. You may have a wide range of experiences from church to church, but if you're out of town on vacation or something like that, you can have a pretty good idea of what you'll get at the local SBC church.
Because the convention has no ability to control individual churches, there's a lot of room for VAST differences b/w local churches. Which is why you can have the likes of Ed Young Jr. ranting against Calvinism in one church and Tom Ascol championing it in another. Or on a different plane, someone like Rick Warren building a mega mega church based on seeker-driven models, and someone like my former pastor laboring in obscurity in a tiny rented building to a handful of saints w/o losing hope because he is trusting in the Sovereignty of God to build His church as He sees best.
I think this is the biggest problem w/ the SBC. There's no consistency and no real desire for it. Even at the seminary I attended, there were professors who taught Calvinism in their Systematic Theology classes and others who taught Molinism. I had one professor say in class that the God of 5 point Calvinism was no better than the God of Islam. I was furious... I had another Systematic professor who was a self professed 5 point Calvinist. How they worked on the same faculty, I have no idea. BTW, the man who made the blasphemous statement was the Dean of Faculty, so he's no novice.
Anyways, that's a lot more than you asked about... Hopefully it's helpful.
SolaSaint
Puritan Board Sophomore
Jeff,
Very well said. Although I like how each church is autonomous in the SBC, it does make for a hodgepodge of beliefs and that has obviously resulted in Pastors like Ed Young Jr. I guess within the SBC we will have to take the bad with the good (individual sovereignty or autonomy).
Very well said. Although I like how each church is autonomous in the SBC, it does make for a hodgepodge of beliefs and that has obviously resulted in Pastors like Ed Young Jr. I guess within the SBC we will have to take the bad with the good (individual sovereignty or autonomy).
extolHIM
Puritan Board Freshman
My wife and I used to teach kindergarten Sunday School at the Southern Baptist church we used to attend in OKC (before Christ saved me ironically), and one weekend about 6 or 7 years ago our church paid for all the teachers to go down to Fellowship Baptist Church for the weekend to check out their kids program...which was huge. Everything else aside, I remember two very strange things...when we were walking in the building, we were the only ones walking into the building with Bibles in our hands! I kid you not! Not one other person walking in the building had a Bible with them. Anyways, the other thing I recall was that the service was about 30-45 minutes total, and the "sermon" was nothing but fluff and motivation and with only one scripture passage cited. I walked out amazed, since our pastor was an expository preacher who was very in-depth in all of his sermons. Even then, as deceived non-believer who thought he was a true believer, I knew that this was nothing but a joke. So needless to say, this video does not surprise me.
toddpedlar
Iron Dramatist
My contact with SBC-folk is very sparse... but seriously is there any reason to take this bozo with any degree of seriousness? Does he wield that much influence in the SBC? Why??
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