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...of Postmillenialism.
(Or was I predestined not to accept this view?)
I spoke to God. He said you werent predestined to hold this view....
I'm climbing around on the slippery wet bank of Optimistic Amil and one slippery step could send me slipping off the bank and into the Postmill stream, never to return.
I spoke to God. He said you werent predestined to hold this view....
Was this a word of knowledge? I think I saw that on the 700 Club this morning...or was it on 'the rosary with Mother Angelica' on EWTN?
This book gives a simple read to the subject-
Amazon.com: Postmillennialism: An Eschatology of Hope: Keith A. Mathison: Books
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This book gives a simple read to the subject-
Amazon.com: Postmillennialism: An Eschatology of Hope: Keith A. Mathison: Books
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How does it compare with Jack Davis's Christ's Victorious Kingdom? I'm rereading that now.
I'm climbing around on the slippery wet bank of Optimistic Amil and one slippery step could send me slipping off the bank and into the Postmill stream, never to return.
Is one foot on a banana peel?
...of Postmillenialism.
(Or was I predestined not to accept this view?)
"Sit at my right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool"
"...Your Kingdom come, on earth, as it is in heaven..."
"Go and make disciples of all nations..."
"And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to Him, and He went out conquering and to conquer."
"Sit at my right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool"
"...Your Kingdom come, on earth, as it is in heaven..."
"Go and make disciples of all nations..."
"And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to Him, and He went out conquering and to conquer."
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
"Sit at my right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool"
"...Your Kingdom come, on earth, as it is in heaven..."
"Go and make disciples of all nations..."
"And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to Him, and He went out conquering and to conquer."
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
Can Jesus fail? Can He be less successful in taking possession of the Earth than David and Solomon were in taking possession of the land that God gave them, from the Euphrates to the Great Sea (Medi)?
He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. (Psalm 72:8)
According to amillenialism history - including church history - is going nowhere.
Can Jesus fail? Can He be less successful in taking possession of the Earth than David and Solomon were in taking possession of the land that God gave them, from the Euphrates to the Great Sea (Medi)?
He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. (Psalm 72:8)
According to amillenialism history - including church history - is going nowhere.
Can Jesus fail? Can He be less successful in taking possession of the Earth than David and Solomon were in taking possession of the land that God gave them, from the Euphrates to the Great Sea (Medi)?
He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. (Psalm 72:8)
According to amillenialism history - including church history - is going nowhere.
Excuse me? Ummm...that is quite untrue. According to Ammillenialism history, especially church history, is marching forward to the final consumation when Christ returns to judge the living and the dead, and to openly acknowledge and acquit all those who believe on Him. We are awaiting the day when the kingdom of God will be fully realized, when there is no more mixture of wheat and chaff in the Church of Christ, but will be a pure and spotless bride. That, my friend, is where history is going. Just because we ammillenialists think of success differently than do the posties, doesn't mean we think history is going nowhere. Get the doctrines of those you disagree with straight.
Here you go with a few more passages:
Psalm 22:27
ALLthe ends of the earth shall REMEMBER
and turn to the LORD,
and ALL the families of the nations
shall worship before you.
Psalm 86:9
ALL the nations you have made SHALL COME
and worship before you, O Lord,
and shall glorify your name.
Revelation 15:3,4
And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying,
"Great and amazing are your deeds,
O Lord God the Almighty!
Just and true are your ways,
O King of the nations!
Who will not fear, O Lord,
and glorify your name?
For you alone are holy.
All nations will come
and worship you,
for your righteous acts have been revealed."
And to tag along with the comments above about Christ not returning until His enemies have been made a footstool for his feet, here is one more from Hebrews 10:12-13:
But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.
So Christ waits IN HEAVEN until his enemies are made a footstool for his feet. Have Christ enemies already been subjected to him? Hardly.
I have yet to see any serious rejoinder to these passages from premils or amils.
Premils claim the Psalm passages above and the other obvious optimistic passages throughout Scripture happen during the 1000 year reign; but obviously the debate has always been if (1) they can prove conclusively that the "1000 years" of Revelation 20 is a literal 1000 year period as opposed to a long aeon of time, and (2) they must explain why there is no mention of a literal 1000 year period of Christ visibly, bodily reigning in Jerusalem anywhere else in Scripture (The Micah 4 chapter says nothing of time duration, and the Revelation 20 passage mentions nothing of location. The premil scheme is simply a disjointed jigsaw puzzle of verses weaved together to give an appearance of the doctrine being valid).
Regarding the literalness of the 1000 number, Gentry does a good job of giving numerous examples where the number 1000 is not used in a literal sense (e.g. Psalm 50:10, the "thousand" hills; are there literally only a thousand hills on the earth? How do you define what a hill is?)
Again, these passages will be fulfilled at His coming, no need to force a postmil interpretation into the text.
Again, these passages will be fulfilled at His coming, no need to force a postmil interpretation into the text.
And where exactly does it state explicitly in these passages that these things occur at his coming? I think you and the other amils are forcing the text here.
Look at I Corinthians 15:23-26:
But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
Recall Hebrews 10:12-13, he is WAITING in HEAVEN, sitting at the right hand of the Father UNTIL his enemies are made a footstool for his feet.
So Christ SITS, He WAITS, and He REIGNS until his enemies are made a footstool for his feet.
Let's not forget that regarding the millennium in Rev. 20, Amillennialism simply states that it is occuring now, while Postmillenialism professes that it doesn't begin until after Christ comes. The discussion as to what happens during said millennium is secondary to this issue.
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Let's not forget that regarding the millennium in Rev. 20, Amillennialism simply states that it is occuring now, while Postmillenialism professes that it doesn't begin until after Christ comes. The discussion as to what happens during said millennium is secondary to this issue.
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Greg Bahnsen said in his Victory in Jesus book on postmil that the majority of postmillennarians agree with amillennarians on the timing of the millennium but disagree only on the nature of it. He himself employed the same arguments for the timing of the millennium that amillennarians have used.
Let's not forget that regarding the millennium in Rev. 20, Amillennialism simply states that it is occuring now, while Postmillenialism professes that it doesn't begin until after Christ comes. The discussion as to what happens during said millennium is secondary to this issue.
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Greg Bahnsen said in his Victory in Jesus book on postmil that the majority of postmillennarians agree with amillennarians on the timing of the millennium but disagree only on the nature of it. He himself employed the same arguments for the timing of the millennium that amillennarians have used.
I'm at work and without various resources, but I'm not in agrement with Greg Bahnsen on that. Even just a cursory look at the terms themselves ( post VS a) shows otherwise.
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