Why I'm leaving the PB and joining the Mormon...

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I'm not looking at nor commenting on this thread...

Actually, I posted the first "April 1" thread of the day here. The problem is, no one cares!
 
There is something wrong with Mormonism? Richard Mouw, the prez of my seminary of origin, went to Salt Lake City a few years back and apologized to Mormons on behalf of all of us (even though he used the word "evangelical" you can't escape that easily since he claims to be a Calvinist and a long term (17 yr) philosophy prof at Calvin). On an even more ecumenical note, he was also an original signatory of the Evangelicals and Catholics Together document in '94.

Besides, reading Blue Tick's earlier posts, I simply assumed he was a Mormon.

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DMcFadden said:
There is something wrong with Mormonism? Richard Mouw, the prez of my seminary of origin, went to Salt Lake City a few years back and apologized to Mormons on behalf of all of us (even though he used the word "evangelical" you can't escape that easily since he claims to be a Calvinist and a long term (17 yr) philosophy prof at Calvin). On an even more ecumenical note, he was also an original signatory of the Evangelicals and Catholics Together document in '94.

Besides, reading Blue Tick's earlier posts, I simply assumed he was a Mormon.

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I was present when Mouw made his apology...:barfy:

Besides, reading Blue Tick's earlier posts, I simply assumed he was a Mormon.
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I thought you were joking. I googled it and found Mouw's speech, and I am going to throw up.

Don't that know that the mormon Jesus was a man, not God? I mean, even their God is flesh and blood.

:barfy::barfy::barfy:

"What a wonderful thing it is that we can meet together to talk about the Lord Jesus and about who he is and what he has done on our behalf. There is much here to talk about. I personally take great encouragement from words that Joseph Smith uttered on the occasion of the founding of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in April of 1830: "we know," Joseph said, "that all men must repent and believe on the name of Jesus Christ, and worship the Father in his name, and endure in faith on his name to the end, or they cannot be saved in the kingdom of God." And then he added: "And we know that justification through the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is just and true, and we know also that sanctification through the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is just and true, to all those who love and serve God with all their mights, minds, and strength."
 
Look if it us the undergarments that are causing you to Mormonize I am sure someone can knit some sort of similar Puritan undies of equal value and allure.
 
I started reading his book, Calvinism in the Las Vegas Airport(I think) and I just couldn't finish. I always think when I read anything by him that he is trying to convince himself that he is a Calvinist.
 
Umm, so have you heard from the angel of moroni? Did he tell you to start this thread? Little golden tiles by your bed?
 
lynnie said:
I thought you were joking. I googled it and found Mouw's speech, and I am going to throw up.

Don't that know that the mormon Jesus was a man, not God? I mean, even their God is flesh and blood.

:barfy::barfy::barfy:

"What a wonderful thing it is that we can meet together to talk about the Lord Jesus and about who he is and what he has done on our behalf. There is much here to talk about. I personally take great encouragement from words that Joseph Smith uttered on the occasion of the founding of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in April of 1830: "we know," Joseph said, "that all men must repent and believe on the name of Jesus Christ, and worship the Father in his name, and endure in faith on his name to the end, or they cannot be saved in the kingdom of God." And then he added: "And we know that justification through the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is just and true, and we know also that sanctification through the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is just and true, to all those who love and serve God with all their mights, minds, and strength."
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Lynnie, I was JOKING about Mormonism being OK but NOT joking about Mouw apologizing to the Mormons. Dr. Mouw was a prominent leader (founder???) of "evangelicals for McGovern" back in '72. He has this knee-jerk need to dialogue with EVERYone. It is a good thing that Hitler and Stalin are not around today; Mouw would be defending them or at least apologizing to them. He also loves to dialogue with Islamic representatives. Maybe it has something to do with getting his PhD at Chicago???

If you want a feel for Dr. Mouw's sensibilities and high value placed on dialogue, compare his telling of this vignette.

About thirty or so American religious leaders representing Christianity, Judaism, and Islam had the privilege of a closed-door session with King Abdullah of Jordan on one of his visits to the United States. We were impressed by the Arab leader's professed commitment to encouraging fellow Muslims to cooperate with Jews and Christians in countering the toxic influence of extremists in each of our communities. His responses to probing questions were equally impressive—indeed, they were often quite inspiring.

As our session neared its conclusion, an elderly rabbi asked for a final word. He told the king that he was deeply moved by what he had shared. "We need you in our world of turmoil today," he said, "but I worry about your safety and the well being of your family." He pledged to pray for King Abdullah and his loved ones. And then the rabbi offered, as a fellow descendent of Abraham, the well-known ancient blessing: "The LORD bless you and keep you. The LORD make his face to shine upon you and be gracious unto you. The LORD lift up the light of his countenance upon you, and give you peace."

I told my Chautauqua audience how moved I was by that encounter. As an evangelical Christian, I said, I believe with all my heart that the God I worship, the God of Abraham, looked down on that scene, where a descendent of Isaac gave a blessing to a descendent of Ishmael, and smiled and said, "That's good! That's the way I want things to be!" I'm not entirely clear about how to work this into my theology, I confessed, but I'm willing to live with some mystery in thinking about that encounter.
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