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You may also find helpful GI Williamson's lecture series on this topic:
http://www.nethtc.net/~giwopc/LecturesontheSabbath.pdf
http://www.nethtc.net/~giwopc/LecturesontheSabbath.pdf
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"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind."
Honor the Sabbath day, and keep it HOLY.
ALL the time
Westminster Confession of Faith
Chapter XXI
VII. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him:[34] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,[35] which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,[36] and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.[37]
VIII. This Sabbath is to be kept holy unto the Lord when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest all the day from their own works, words, and thoughts about their wordly employments and recreations,[38] but also are taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.[39]
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Brother, PM and give me the details on how you do that.
I did not post this to argue with christians who reject it but to try and get them to really put some time into study on the matter. God bless you all today
I don't propose this to debate, but because there has been an incredible lack of graciousness by many who hold to a strict sabbath observance. I find that antithetical to Christ's teaching in His sermon on the mount, where He defines all the other commandments in relation to a heart issue. Furthermore, the law is distilled down to two great commandments, neither of which focuses on the Sabbath as it pertains to Mosaic Law.
We have ZERO ways of knowing if our, say Tuesday happens to be a +7 multiple of the 3rd Day of Creation. In fact, its demonstrable from Scripture that it has only a 1/7 chance of being so. That is, God himself has prevented us from knowing that datum.
So in the end, what's the use?
We have ZERO ways of knowing if our, say Tuesday happens to be a +7 multiple of the 3rd Day of Creation. In fact, its demonstrable from Scripture that it has only a 1/7 chance of being so. That is, God himself has prevented us from knowing that datum.
Then we have no idea which day is Sunday. I don't believe God left mankind so ignorant. Throughout Scripture from Adam till Christ's 1st coming, God's people knew when to observe the Sabbath. This knowledge was given to Adam who handed it down to his son and so forth. Ex 16 indicates that the Israelites knew when the Sabbath was for they gathered twice the amount of food on Fri for Sat without Moses telling them to do so. And they did this twice gathering after they kept their leftovers in an earlier verse which rotted and stank and were then verbally thrashed by Moses.
Exodus 16:23(NIV) said:He said to them, "This is what the LORD commanded: 'Tomorrow is to be a day of rest, a holy Sabbath to the LORD. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.' "
Sabbath days were included in a list of things that had been shadows, but were now fulfilled, so it appeared that the Spirit was saying that the keeping of it was as necessary as keeping the dietary laws, and that none should be judged in it. Then the scripture goes on to say:Col 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: (17) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
So it appeared to me that doing the things in the list prior could fall into a category of voluntary humility. I also noted that one of the faults the Lord pointed out in the Pharisees was that they had added rituals and requirements to salvation that were not in the scripture, and condemned others for not keeping them. This seemed like it was possibly a similar thing.Col 2:18-19 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, (19) And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
We have ZERO ways of knowing if our, say Tuesday happens to be a +7 multiple of the 3rd Day of Creation. In fact, its demonstrable from Scripture that it has only a 1/7 chance of being so. That is, God himself has prevented us from knowing that datum.
Then we have no idea which day is Sunday. I don't believe God left mankind so ignorant. Throughout Scripture from Adam till Christ's 1st coming, God's people knew when to observe the Sabbath. This knowledge was given to Adam who handed it down to his son and so forth. Ex 16 indicates that the Israelites knew when the Sabbath was for they gathered twice the amount of food on Fri for Sat without Moses telling them to do so. And they did this twice gathering after they kept their leftovers in an earlier verse which rotted and stank and were then verbally thrashed by Moses.
I do. Yesterday was Sunday.
Also, sjonee, I don't know if you looked up the passage you referred to or not so I'll transcribe it:
Exodus 16:23(NIV) said:He said to them, "This is what the LORD commanded: 'Tomorrow is to be a day of rest, a holy Sabbath to the LORD. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.' "
So yeah, the Israelites knew all right. But not because it had been passed down to them by their fathers. God dictated it to them directly--well, directly through Moses, anyway.
With that said, I think that God's pattern of "one day out of seven" is what's important, not which one day out of seven. The only thing is, I don't know of any churches that hold services on Monday, so you might be stuck with either Saturday or Sunday.
Finally, not all countries begin their week on a Sunday. United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, most of Europe, parts of Asia, and some others begin on Monday.
That being the case, the last day of the week is a Sunday, so everyone is happy.
*snip*
Jonathan,
your answer to me leads me to believe that you didn't read my article to which I gave a link. That's ok, because I'm going to take Jessica's advice and step away from this post. If you feel led to PM concerning your points, I certainly welcome them. I like this board too much to get into a debate which will not end well...I feel.
I know as a person who used to suppourt New Covenant Theology that the reason I did not suppourt The Sabbath I felt it was just a type of belief in Christ.
I know as a person who used to suppourt New Covenant Theology that the reason I did not suppourt The Sabbath I felt it was just a type of belief in Christ.
Oh no...you found this thread and dug it back up
Just kidding! I have no thanks left, but I know people who believe that.