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Why does this only seem to come up in regard to employment and sports? If not for those two things I don't think anyone would wonder why some people "reject" the Sabbath.
One word: Dispensationalism
One shouldn't fortune-tell, because I'm going to do none of those things. I'd just like to know how is the Sabbath kept Holy, i.e. set apart, if you do what you do every other day on that day?
Because it is those things from which we are to withdraw our feet upon the day in which God challenges a special interest (for our benefit).
One word: Dispensationalism
Actually, that's not true. I attended a hyper-dispensational bible college that had strict rules on the Lord's Day. No sports. No raucous activity of any type. The day was supposed to be given over to worship, study of the word of God and fellowship with other students (our school was in middle of the Adirondack Mountains. No one lived off campus). And lest you think that was specific to the school I attended, many of the churches we partnered with practiced the same thing.
No one here argues we need to or can "ignore" the Sabbath. It's just some here feel that watching a football game isn't ignoring it. Some even feel working isn't ignoring it. Now I know some of you are going to post 500 refrences from past puritans or part of the confessions stating that working on the Sabbath or watching sports is a sin.
FINE
We all know that is the view taken with many and that this being a confessional board that we are to not argue against it. So my question has always been, what's the point of these discussions then? They either have to be full of like minded Sabbatarians talking about all the members here who are sinning this Sunday, or debate about a subject that technically isn't debatable here.
So in the end, what's the use?
No one here argues we need to or can "ignore" the Sabbath. It's just some here feel that watching a football game isn't ignoring it. Some even feel working isn't ignoring it. Now I know some of you are going to post 500 refrences from past puritans or part of the confessions stating that working on the Sabbath or watching sports is a sin.
FINE
We all know that is the view taken with many and that this being a confessional board that we are to not argue against it. So my question has always been, what's the point of these discussions then? They either have to be full of like minded Sabbatarians talking about all the members here who are sinning this Sunday, or debate about a subject that technically isn't debatable here.
So in the end, what's the use?
Adam, there are many who struggle with the topic. Discussion helps them see both sides. For those who are settled in their sabbath position these threads may not be as necessary as for those who are still seeking to determine their position.
One word: Dispensationalism
Actually, that's not true. I attended a hyper-dispensational bible college that had strict rules on the Lord's Day. No sports. No raucous activity of any type. The day was supposed to be given over to worship, study of the word of God and fellowship with other students (our school was in middle of the Adirondack Mountains. No one lived off campus). And lest you think that was specific to the school I attended, many of the churches we partnered with practiced the same thing.
No one here argues we need to or can "ignore" the Sabbath. It's just some here feel that watching a football game isn't ignoring it. Some even feel working isn't ignoring it. Now I know some of you are going to post 500 refrences from past puritans or part of the confessions stating that working on the Sabbath or watching sports is a sin.
FINE
We all know that is the view taken with many and that this being a confessional board that we are to not argue against it. So my question has always been, what's the point of these discussions then? They either have to be full of like minded Sabbatarians talking about all the members here who are sinning this Sunday, or debate about a subject that technically isn't debatable here.
So in the end, what's the use?
Adam, there are many who struggle with the topic. Discussion helps them see both sides. For those who are settled in their sabbath position these threads may not be as necessary as for those who are still seeking to determine their position.
Am I allowed to ask questions that have not been answered in the past by other people (not here) then?
One word: Dispensationalism
Actually, that's not true. I attended a hyper-dispensational bible college that had strict rules on the Lord's Day. No sports. No raucous activity of any type. The day was supposed to be given over to worship, study of the word of God and fellowship with other students (our school was in middle of the Adirondack Mountains. No one lived off campus). And lest you think that was specific to the school I attended, many of the churches we partnered with practiced the same thing.
In classic dispensationalism one does not have to keep the sabbath because it has not been repeated in the New Testament.
No one here argues we need to or can "ignore" the Sabbath. It's just some here feel that watching a football game isn't ignoring it. Some even feel working isn't ignoring it. Now I know some of you are going to post 500 refrences from past puritans or part of the confessions stating that working on the Sabbath or watching sports is a sin.
FINE
We all know that is the view taken with many and that this being a confessional board that we are to not argue against it. So my question has always been, what's the point of these discussions then? They either have to be full of like minded Sabbatarians talking about all the members here who are sinning this Sunday, or debate about a subject that technically isn't debatable here.
So in the end, what's the use?
Adam, there are many who struggle with the topic. Discussion helps them see both sides. For those who are settled in their sabbath position these threads may not be as necessary as for those who are still seeking to determine their position.
I don't think honest inquiry necessarily questions the confessions. Even though the confessions are pretty clear on the sabbath, Christian practice in that are is all over the map -- even in Reformed (confessional!) churches. As long as it's done with civility, I think the discussions are worthwhile. What is NOT worthwhile is casting aspersions on brothers or sisters because they don't hold to the same sabbath position that you do. That smacks of pride and self-righteousness.So members can question the confession if they are trying to figure it out?
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind."
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind."
Honor the Sabbath day, and keep it HOLY.
I believe Church should last much longer than it does. I think Church is far too often seen as a sermon and little else. I would absolutely love to find a Church that opens at 9 a.m. and closes at 9 p.m. but try finding me one of those.
Ok, first I want to say that I pretty much abide by Sabbatarian "laws". I just don't think that Sunday became the Sabbath. So with that in mind here's my question. How can we say that the Ten Commandments are the moral law of God which expresses His nature which doesn't ever change, and yet say that He changed the Sabbath from Sat to Sun? Now, I've read Edward's explanation on this, but it is his with which I disagree. Please don't think that I think I'm smarter than Edwards because I don't AT ALL. I've written an article showing where I think his thoughts fall apart. If you decide to read it, please don't think my tone is harsh. I just couldn't express myself and get my points across any better only because I'm not that great of a writer...which also leads people to think I'm saying something I'm not. So here is the link to my article, which I want to be read in the manner of me WANTING answers and NOT me making a statement which cannot be changed. I've put a link to my article and did not paste it here out of respect for PB.
I believe Church should last much longer than it does. I think Church is far too often seen as a sermon and little else. I would absolutely love to find a Church that opens at 9 a.m. and closes at 9 p.m. but try finding me one of those.
I believe Church should last much longer than it does. I think Church is far too often seen as a sermon and little else. I would absolutely love to find a Church that opens at 9 a.m. and closes at 9 p.m. but try finding me one of those.
We start at 9:45 and go till somewhere between 4:30 and 6:00. We'd love to have y'all visit.