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I wasn't aware of that. Oddly enough, though I had never heard of him before, today I bought his Kindle book on finding elders and deacons. That and R.C.'s The Holiness of God. I'll do a bit of research on this scandal you refer to. Thanks.In light of his current racializing scandal, I look at Anyabwile having written a biography of Lemuel Haynes differently that I would have before. Not interested in it in the slightest.
But thanks for the link.
Rant on....
Like the evil white man that I am, I won't be buying any Thabiti ever again. I can get enough white guilt from the secular press, I don't need it from folks who claim to represent Christ.
Plus, this whole Literary Lalapalooza seems a bit like commercialism to me. I tire of 8-10 celebrity pastors attending every conference and representing the whole reformed world. There seems a tendency among the Calvinists (especially the New Calvinists) to indulge in Celebrity Pastor worship.
Finally, just this week I saw info on the yearly salary and income of some of these ministries and it really sickened and angered me. "The laborer is worthy of his wages" doesn't justify 400 or 500k a year for pastoring a church. Some folks are making royalties of hundreds of thousands per year. One particular pastor that often preaches against the Prosperity Gospel makes an estimated 900,000 a year and pays his son-in-law over 600k a year for work on the ministry. And some of these folks also have the nerve to ask for donations on top of the book sales.
There's lot of money to be had in religion! If Jesus came back to cleanse our temples, he'd be turning over a lot of Reformed book tables as well.
Rant on....
Like the evil white man that I am, I won't be buying any Thabiti ever again. I can get enough white guilt from the secular press, I don't need it from folks who claim to represent Christ.
Plus, this whole Literary Lalapalooza seems a bit like commercialism to me. I tire of 8-10 celebrity pastors attending every conference and representing the whole reformed world. There seems a tendency among the Calvinists (especially the New Calvinists) to indulge in Celebrity Pastor worship.
Finally, just this week I saw info on the yearly salary and income of some of these ministries and it really sickened and angered me. "The laborer is worthy of his wages" doesn't justify 400 or 500k a year for pastoring a church. Some folks are making royalties of hundreds of thousands per year. One particular pastor that often preaches against the Prosperity Gospel makes an estimated 900,000 a year and pays his son-in-law over 600k a year for work on the ministry. And some of these folks also have the nerve to ask for donations on top of the book sales.
There's lot of money to be had in religion! If Jesus came back to cleanse our temples, he'd be turning over a lot of Reformed book tables as well.
There have been posts on here before about the high salaries of even some of our reformed pastors. I am not talking about 120,000K a year but into the 250-300k range and up.I would like to be properly informed about this. What is your source?
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The Triablogue link already answers you:Maybe they make this much money but give it away? What’s wrong with that?
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The Triablogue link already answers you:
"You're absurdly proposing that it's okay for MacArthur to be overpaid so long as he turns right around and gives most of that back to charity. Why should parishioners who live paycheck-to-paycheck be contributing far more to MacArthur's income than he needs to live on, just so that he takes their money and gives it to someone else? Is that MacArthur's version of income redistribution?
For the record, his lifestyle now is as modest as it was before the
board voted him that benefit.
I didn't say anything about his "lifestyle." Rather, I raised questions about his "standard of living," which is defined as "The level of wealth, comfort, material goods and necessities available to a certain socioeconomic class in a certain geographic area" (Investopedia). I'm comparing his standard of living to the charismatic prosperity preachers who he rightly assails."
I wasn't aware of that. Oddly enough, though I had never heard of him before, today I bought his Kindle book on finding elders and deacons. That and R.C.'s The Holiness of God. I'll do a bit of research on this scandal you refer to. Thanks.
Thabiti’s real name is Ron Burns. He changed it back when he was a black nationalist Muslim. The fact that he never felt the need to change it back when he became a Christian speaks volumes.
Changing the subject somewhat, do you ever wonder how many really significant books by Reformed authors are either not being published or not given the circulation that the deserve owing to the fact that the writers are not celebrity pastors? Let's face it, how many of John Piper or Tim Keller's books are likely to live long in the memory? Two or three of them maybe, but that is about it.
Yep. In another thread recently I had stated a fair amount of these books are just...blah.Changing the subject somewhat, do you ever wonder how many really significant books by Reformed authors are either not being published or not given the circulation that the deserve owing to the fact that the writers are not celebrity pastors? Let's face it, how many of John Piper or Tim Keller's books are likely to live long in the memory? Two or three of them maybe, but that is about it.
I haven't in a long time. Especially when MacArthur chose to use the new NIV version for his study bible.Perg,
Do you not read any MacArthur for this reason? Or Sproul?
MacArthur does not like the NIV but he said you can 'curse the darkness or turn on the light'I haven't in a long time. Especially when MacArthur chose to use the new NIV version for his study bible.
MacArthur does not like the NIV but he said you can 'curse the darkness or turn on the light'
I am affiliated with Heartcry. I like them a lot.He figured getting good notes into NIVs was better than merely making more NASBs. I can understand that.
As far as the money thing goes, I don't know what to make of it. Ligonier has been very kind to me with free resources.
Side note, what is your opinion of HeartCry Missionary Society?
I do hope there is a missionary motivation at work. It makes little sense, however, to desire that the NIV be less used and then chose it as a version for thousands of new study bibles.
I am affiliated with Heartcry. I like them a lot.
I would say go for it. There are lots of good efforts happening in the country where I serve, which is a relatively new field for them. And in other countries they are even more active. A good emphasis on true belief versus easy believism and, for missions, they honor the place of the sending church quite well. I quit an evangelical mission org in 2014 because they said that a sending church's only roles were to send the missionary, pray for them, and send them money (all decisions on the field must be decided by the mission org and the sending church not involved). So we are very glad for their work.Oh, really? I had no idea. Paul Washer is my absolute favourite living teacher, and from what I have seen, HeartCry also does quality work.
I have contemplated supporting them in the past. Being affiliated with them, can you give me any information that could inform my decision?
In the above quote, are the "parishioners" members of Grace Community Church? If so, they give financially to the church because it is their duty. That has nothing to do with if the pastor has other income or not.
Anyway, what's the conclusion of the matter then?
If seemingly godly men are sinning in such a large way, what are we to make of it? If you are correct, would this not undercut these men's entire ministries?
This is obviously an area you are concerned about, as Ive seen you bring up these kind of things before.