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Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it takes place, so that when it does take place you may believe.
Joh 16:4 But I have said these things to you, that when their hour comes you may remember that I told them to you. "I did not say these things to you from the beginning, because I was with you.
Romans 1:20 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Hebrews 11:6 6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who seek him.
If you were asked by a Christian to prove that the God of the Bible exists in a short manner, how would you go about it?
I wouldn't. The Bible never sets out to prove that God exists. It starts with the fact of His existence.
Genesis 1:1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
Presuppositionally:
1. Knowledge is possible (or some other statement pertaining to logic or morality)
2. If there is no god, knowledge is not possible
3. Therefore God exists.
We must point out to [our opponents] that [non-theistic] reasoning itself leads to self-contradiction, not only from a theistic point of view, but from a non-theistic point of view as well... It is this that we ought to mean when we say that we reason from the impossibility of the contrary. The contrary is impossible only if it is self-contradictory when operating on the basis of its own assumptions. —(A Survey of Christian Epistemology [Philadelphia: Presbyterian and Reformed, 1969], p. 204).
Classically:
"If anything exists . . . God exists." (R.C. Sproul)
This is Ontological, not presuppositional. The latter (and arguably the reformed approach) would be to presuppose that God exists and that he has spoken the truth in the scriptures.1. Knowledge is possible (or some other statement pertaining to logic or morality)
2. If there is no god, knowledge is not possible
3. Therefore God exists.
I wouldn't. The Bible never sets out to prove that God exists. It starts with the fact of His existence.
Genesis 1:1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
Are you saying you would refuse to discuss the existence of God?
I wouldn't. The Bible never sets out to prove that God exists. It starts with the fact of His existence.
Genesis 1:1
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
Are you saying you would refuse to discuss the existence of God?
No. I don't have a problem discussing the existence of God. What I am saying is that the Bible does not even attempt to "prove" the existence of God. It is taken as fact. I am not going to get into an argument with someone trying to "prove" that God exists. It is clear that God exists. We believe in God by faith plus there is something in human nature that makes us realize when we look out on creation that there is a God. Setting out trying to "prove" He exists is silly in my opinion. There is a lot of ink wasted (see Lee Strobel) trying to "prove" things that we are never asked to prove but are to believe by faith. I believe God exists because He has told me that He exists through the Scriptures. I don't need human arguments or someone's idea of evidence. We either believe the Scriptures or we do not.
I heard of someone who was asked for a one-word proof of*the truth of the Bible (not quite what you were asking, but still)
...his answer was, "Israel".
It's a good one - their continued existence through all the ages defies explanation in human terms
I'm hazy on all those isms......is that bad?I heard of someone who was asked for a one-word proof of*the truth of the Bible (not quite what you were asking, but still)
...his answer was, "Israel".
It's a good one - their continued existence through all the ages defies explanation in human terms
I hear dispensationalists use this one.
If you were asked by a Christian to prove that the God of the Bible exists in a short manner, how would you go about it?
What I am saying is that the Bible does not even attempt to "prove" the existence of God. It is taken as fact.
I wouldn't try to "prove" that He exists. I would just affirm what the WLC says
"The very light of nature in man and the works of God declare plainly that there is a God, but His Word and Spirit only do sufficiently and effectually reveal Him unto men for their salvation."
This is Ontological, not presuppositional. The latter (and arguably the reformed approach) would be to presuppose that God exists and that he has spoken the truth in the scriptures.1. Knowledge is possible (or some other statement pertaining to logic or morality)
2. If there is no god, knowledge is not possible
3. Therefore God exists.
Turn the question around: if God doesn't exist, what do you believe? Then lead them with your questions to their logical conclusion.
If you were asked by a Christian to prove that the God of the Bible exists in a short manner, how would you go about it?