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The climax was when the Presbytery pled guilty to the substance charge. Of course, there are still two FV sympathetic pastors in the Presbytery (Duane Garner and Mark Duncan). Furthermore, AAPC and Wilkins have left. There is nothing more to come.
The climax was when the Presbytery pled guilty to the substance charge. Of course, there are still two FV sympathetic pastors in the Presbytery (Duane Garner and Mark Duncan). Furthermore, AAPC and Wilkins have left. There is nothing more to come.
The climax was when the Presbytery pled guilty to the substance charge. Of course, there are still two FV sympathetic pastors in the Presbytery (Duane Garner and Mark Duncan). Furthermore, AAPC and Wilkins have left. There is nothing more to come.
What is an 'FV sympathizer'? Is it someone who agrees with FV, or someone who does not agree but doesn't think it is that big of a deal?
Can they cook something up for Missouri Presbytery or Pacific NW? Maybe a similar result could happen in quicker and nicer fashion.
The climax was when the Presbytery pled guilty to the substance charge. Of course, there are still two FV sympathetic pastors in the Presbytery (Duane Garner and Mark Duncan). Furthermore, AAPC and Wilkins have left. There is nothing more to come.
Actually, Lane, Duane has left.
As of the Feb. 9 LaP meeting, which I discussed in my piece "LaP Hardens," he was there, and the comments on that focus on him taking me to task over whether LaP could get a "fair" trial at SJC.
But he withdrew the next day. The LaP has not met since his withdrawal.
Sorry for not keeping you posted on that.
The climax was when the Presbytery pled guilty to the substance charge. Of course, there are still two FV sympathetic pastors in the Presbytery (Duane Garner and Mark Duncan). Furthermore, AAPC and Wilkins have left. There is nothing more to come.
Actually, Lane, Duane has left.
As of the Feb. 9 LaP meeting, which I discussed in my piece "LaP Hardens," he was there, and the comments on that focus on him taking me to task over whether LaP could get a "fair" trial at SJC.
But he withdrew the next day. The LaP has not met since his withdrawal.
Sorry for not keeping you posted on that.
At one time the clerk of the AAPC session was also the clerk of LA Presbytery, so is he still in the PCA?
Can they cook something up for Missouri Presbytery or Pacific NW? Maybe a similar result could happen in quicker and nicer fashion.
Is there something happening in Pacific NW Presbytery? I was not aware of anything, but then there are pockets of this everywhere.
Actually, Lane, Duane has left.
As of the Feb. 9 LaP meeting, which I discussed in my piece "LaP Hardens," he was there, and the comments on that focus on him taking me to task over whether LaP could get a "fair" trial at SJC.
But he withdrew the next day. The LaP has not met since his withdrawal.
Sorry for not keeping you posted on that.
At one time the clerk of the AAPC session was also the clerk of LA Presbytery, so is he still in the PCA?
If you know who it specifically was, I might be able to help you. Normally if the clerk of the session remained in good standing membership with AAPC, it is likely that he went with them into the CREC and is no longer the moderator of the Presbytery. But I confess a degree of ignorance on these matters.
At one time the clerk of the AAPC session was also the clerk of LA Presbytery, so is he still in the PCA?
If you know who it specifically was, I might be able to help you. Normally if the clerk of the session remained in good standing membership with AAPC, it is likely that he went with them into the CREC and is no longer the moderator of the Presbytery. But I confess a degree of ignorance on these matters.
I believe his last name was Peabody.
Can they cook something up for Missouri Presbytery or Pacific NW? Maybe a similar result could happen in quicker and nicer fashion.
Is there something happening in Pacific NW Presbytery? I was not aware of anything, but then there are pockets of this everywhere.
Several years ago the Pacific NW Presbytery tried Leithart's views, found them non-heretical and thus exonerated him. Andrew's comment has reference to the fact that Peter Leithart was (is? I don't know) in the Pac NW.
Is there something happening in Pacific NW Presbytery? I was not aware of anything, but then there are pockets of this everywhere.
Several years ago the Pacific NW Presbytery tried Leithart's views, found them non-heretical and thus exonerated him. Andrew's comment has reference to the fact that Peter Leithart was (is? I don't know) in the Pac NW.
I did not realize this, Jacob. Thanks for the information. You are attending John Knox PCA.
Were you there when Jeffrey Steele was still the teaching elder?
Yes, Jacob you are correct on Peter Leithart. I checked the current PCA ministerial directory and he is still a member of Pacific NW Presbytery, but he is laboring out of bounds at St. Andrews College with the FV Pope, Doug Wilson. What a shame that the Presbytery never found his views to be problematic. You wonder who is in that Presbytery.
If you know who it specifically was, I might be able to help you. Normally if the clerk of the session remained in good standing membership with AAPC, it is likely that he went with them into the CREC and is no longer the moderator of the Presbytery. But I confess a degree of ignorance on these matters.
I believe his last name was Peabody.
Close enough. Since he is a good friend of mine, and a man of integrity, I don't really want to disclose names nor speak of him in an informal forum. I know who you are talking about. I am sure he went with the church when they switched denominations. But to be honest, I don't know. I haven't seen him in a while.
Yes, Jacob you are correct on Peter Leithart. I checked the current PCA ministerial directory and he is still a member of Pacific NW Presbytery, but he is laboring out of bounds at St. Andrews College with the FV Pope, Doug Wilson. What a shame that the Presbytery never found his views to be problematic. You wonder who is in that Presbytery.
I really don't wonder. The FV should have never gotten as big as it did. It is conceptually abstract and represents a microcosm of an already tiny group (e.g., the Reformed church). People should have ignored it from day one and it would have been relegated to obscurity. Instead, everyone wanted to be Luther and Machen and look what we got now.
Also, For what it's worth, even though I disagree with Dr Leithart on FV, I love most all of his works.
Yes, Jacob you are correct on Peter Leithart. I checked the current PCA ministerial directory and he is still a member of Pacific NW Presbytery, but he is laboring out of bounds at St. Andrews College with the FV Pope, Doug Wilson. What a shame that the Presbytery never found his views to be problematic. You wonder who is in that Presbytery.
I really don't wonder. The FV should have never gotten as big as it did. It is conceptually abstract and represents a microcosm of an already tiny group (e.g., the Reformed church). People should have ignored it from day one and it would have been relegated to obscurity. Instead, everyone wanted to be Luther and Machen and look what we got now.
Also, For what it's worth, even though I disagree with Dr Leithart on FV, I love most all of his works.
I find it extremely interesting that the "high ecclesiology" of Rev. Leithart permits him to plant a church in another denomination whilst staying in the PCA. When the Committee for the Review of Presbytery Records raised this fact (which would have raised a storm had it been an OPC church that was being planted) the "be charitable" types shouted it down.
I am not defending all his actions, I just like some of his works on literature, critqques of postmodernity, etc.
I am not defending all his actions, I just like some of his works on literature, critqques of postmodernity, etc.
Jacob,
Never said you did. What you said was perfectly reasonable.
But my objection to Rev. Leithart stands.
At one time the clerk of the AAPC session was also the clerk of LA Presbytery, so is he still in the PCA?
Yeah, if we wrote off all friends with whom we disagree, we'd have no friends left.