Ivan
Pastor
Governments would be overthrown. The entire social order would be different. It would be awesome. Of course, there would also be a lot more Bentley-driving, monogrammed cuff-wearing charlatans.
Not a lot more. We'd see to that.
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Governments would be overthrown. The entire social order would be different. It would be awesome. Of course, there would also be a lot more Bentley-driving, monogrammed cuff-wearing charlatans.
It's interesting how we can justify keeping our money when we speak of the sovereignity of God. God uses us to bring the Gospel to others, whether next door or on the other side of the world. That's how He does it.
So keep your money, that's your choice.
Oh, I agree with you wholeheartedly, Pastor. But I was making a different point. Some folks advocate teaching tithing as a requirement. If that's what this guy has learned, then he's meeting the requirement, and I have heard wealthy people say exactly what I posited, that if they gave more, then the other folks would not see the need to give their tithe and thus miss out on a blessing. Its twisted, I know, but I think its what comes of teaching a law of compulsion rather than the law of love.Y'all are missing the POINT. My point is not tithing. It is foolish stewardship. If you want to talk about obligations then take a close look at what the mandate was in the OT it is closer to 35% than it is to 10%. Someone who tithe to merely do his duty is not giving Biblically. Jesus chastised the Scribe and Pharisees for their meticulous tithing.
It's interesting how we can justify keeping our money when we speak of the sovereignity of God. God uses us to bring the Gospel to others, whether next door or on the other side of the world. That's how He does it.
So keep your money, that's your choice.
I just want to be clear that I'm not advocating a scenario in which people are discouraged to give as much as they want, nor am I advocating that the soverignty of God somehow justifies anyone to be uncharitable, not cheerful, or stingy in their giving.
But part of the sovereignty of God clearly shows that He is in control, even when we are out of control. There is nothing He cannot do. I'm sure you agree with that. It is also His work to perform. I'm sure that you agree with that as well. His Spirit is accomplishing all His holy will. So statements like Spurgeon, who I believe blundered when he said (paraphrased) that men are perishing because we are not doing all we can, miss the sovereignty of God in salvation. There are no people in existence who perish because we failed to use our resources or our industry to reach them. They perished because God chose them to destruction. No amount of money given to the church will change that. The sovereignty of God neither justifies the ill use of resources, nor does it praise the excellent use of them. We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do His good pleasure. Sure there is tension in that, but at the end of the day, we cannot say what God will do based upon our resources.
In Christ,
KC
It's interesting how we can justify keeping our money when we speak of the sovereignity of God. God uses us to bring the Gospel to others, whether next door or on the other side of the world. That's how He does it.
So keep your money, that's your choice.
I just want to be clear that I'm not advocating a scenario in which people are discouraged to give as much as they want, nor am I advocating that the soverignty of God somehow justifies anyone to be uncharitable, not cheerful, or stingy in their giving.
But part of the sovereignty of God clearly shows that He is in control, even when we are out of control. There is nothing He cannot do. I'm sure you agree with that. It is also His work to perform. I'm sure that you agree with that as well. His Spirit is accomplishing all His holy will. So statements like Spurgeon, who I believe blundered when he said (paraphrased) that men are perishing because we are not doing all we can, miss the sovereignty of God in salvation. There are no people in existence who perish because we failed to use our resources or our industry to reach them. They perished because God chose them to destruction. No amount of money given to the church will change that. The sovereignty of God neither justifies the ill use of resources, nor does it praise the excellent use of them. We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do His good pleasure. Sure there is tension in that, but at the end of the day, we cannot say what God will do based upon our resources.
In Christ,
KC