RamistThomist
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I heard this was a Lutheran doctrine. In short, what is it?
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Originally posted by SolaScriptura
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I recall from reading Mueller, the ubiquity of Christ means that Christ is omnipresent PHYSICALLY as well as SPIRITUALLY.
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Originally posted by SolaScriptura
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I recall from reading Mueller, the ubiquity of Christ means that Christ is omnipresent PHYSICALLY as well as SPIRITUALLY.
Exactly. And hence the Lutheran doctrine of Consubstantiation that the Reformed reject.
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Originally posted by SolaScriptura
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I recall from reading Mueller, the ubiquity of Christ means that Christ is omnipresent PHYSICALLY as well as SPIRITUALLY.
Exactly. And hence the Lutheran doctrine of Consubstantiation that the Reformed reject.
Originally posted by SolaScriptura
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Originally posted by SolaScriptura
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I recall from reading Mueller, the ubiquity of Christ means that Christ is omnipresent PHYSICALLY as well as SPIRITUALLY.
Exactly. And hence the Lutheran doctrine of Consubstantiation that the Reformed reject.
Yeah, but what I don't understand - and when I asked a Lutheran he just looked at me like I was crazy - is: If Christ is physically OMNIPRESENT then why am I only consuming Christ's body when I consume the Lord's Supper? Why not when I eat pizza on Friday night or when I eat Cheerios for breakfast? It seems like Christ is only omnipresent in a very localized and specific way... and only at certain times!
Originally posted by SolaScriptura
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Originally posted by SolaScriptura
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I recall from reading Mueller, the ubiquity of Christ means that Christ is omnipresent PHYSICALLY as well as SPIRITUALLY.
Exactly. And hence the Lutheran doctrine of Consubstantiation that the Reformed reject.
Yeah, but what I don't understand - and when I asked a Lutheran he just looked at me like I was crazy - is: If Christ is physically OMNIPRESENT then why am I only consuming Christ's body when I consume the Lord's Supper? Why not when I eat pizza on Friday night or when I eat Cheerios for breakfast? It seems like Christ is only omnipresent in a very localized and specific way... and only at certain times!
Originally posted by Peter
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Originally posted by SolaScriptura
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I recall from reading Mueller, the ubiquity of Christ means that Christ is omnipresent PHYSICALLY as well as SPIRITUALLY.
Exactly. And hence the Lutheran doctrine of Consubstantiation that the Reformed reject.
Hence denial of Christ's true humanity.
Originally posted by biblelighthouse
Originally posted by Peter
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Originally posted by SolaScriptura
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I recall from reading Mueller, the ubiquity of Christ means that Christ is omnipresent PHYSICALLY as well as SPIRITUALLY.
Exactly. And hence the Lutheran doctrine of Consubstantiation that the Reformed reject.
Hence denial of Christ's true humanity.
Huh?
How many true humans do you know who are physically omnipresent?
Originally posted by fredtgreco
That is exactly Peter's (and the Reformed) point. To posit that Christ is omnipresent physically is to deny his true humanity.
Originally posted by Peter
Originally posted by fredtgreco
Originally posted by SolaScriptura
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I recall from reading Mueller, the ubiquity of Christ means that Christ is omnipresent PHYSICALLY as well as SPIRITUALLY.
Exactly. And hence the Lutheran doctrine of Consubstantiation that the Reformed reject.
Hence denial of Christ's true humanity.