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The problem is that these people think that Jesus and his gospel "save" homosexuals... just to allow them to stay in their lifestyle.
Originally posted by houseparent
The problem is that these people think that Jesus and his gospel "save" homosexuals... just to allow them to stay in their lifestyle.
They do?
Originally posted by houseparent
Well thanks guys! I somehow missed that take on it.
Originally posted by alwaysreforming
What does "a friend to Bill" mean? I'm clueless. Does that mean one's gay?
Originally posted by SteveF
...I found my way to your board via a Sitemeter link to my blog, and was led back to your discussion about my posting, "Jesus Talks to a Gay Man." While there is much that I'd like to address in the comments, I did want to address two huge pieces of misinformation disseminated in your comments.
For your information, a "friend of Bill" is not a gay man trying sneakily to not offend your sensibilities. And no, "Bill" is not my boyfriend (although it certainly didn't take you folks long to jump on THAT train...)
The reference is to Bill W., the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous. People who wish to let other people in the recovering community know that they are a member refer to themselves as "friends of Bill," or "friends of Bill W." (My spiritual experience in the process of getting sober led me back to church, and back to Christ.) The "since 1990" indicates that I've been sober for 14-1/2 years - which, given the fact that I was a tongue-chewing, babbling idiot drunk and thief, is proof of the power of God working through the faith of loving friends in the church and the hands and feet of faithful people in AA.
Perhaps you've read some scripture - seems a few of you have. Therefore, I share with you my own scriptural anchor:
"I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me faithful, appointing me to his service. Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners"“of whom I am the worst. But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his unlimited patience as an example for those who would believe on him and receive eternal life." (1 Timothy 1:12-16, NIV)
As for the World AIDS Day sticker, I have a number of friends who have been stricken by AIDS. Two are straight hemophiliacs, infected by blood transfusions; three are straight men or women who have been infected by through "straight" sex with people who were infected. The rest are gay men. I pray for a cure for that disease for the benefit of *all* of them - and believe that every compassionate Christian ought to be doing the same.
I find it particularly interesting that a few "clues" allowed you to jump to the assumption that I am a homosexual, and that somehow "explained" how someone could have any sympathy or concern for gays and lesbians. There certainly is a tone of smug satisfaction to several of your posts - "now we KNOW he's gay, that explains everything!" Of course, everything you *knew* to be true was, in fact, dead wrong. Nice work, boys and girls...Next time, why don't you try something desperate - and just ask, rather than spreading dis-information around?
I've done some very careful reading, and John 3:16 specifically does NOT say that "God so loved the straight world...." It's all of us - and all of "them" (whoever fits in that category for you).
I also love the unending assumption that gays are the only ones, seemingly, who can get saved and still continue the sins that they were committing before they were saved. You folks need to let me know how you got struck pure and holy - 'cause it hasn't happened to me!
I don't know about any of you, but a careful reading of Matthew 25 tells me that in the "sheep vs. goats" comparison, I end up with the goats a lot. It's been quite a while since I've been actively involved (beyond sending someone a check) in feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, inviting in the stranger, clothing the naked.... It remains a pretty convicting passage to me.
Perhaps some in your group could benefit from some simple advice - to "think twice before speaking (or posting) once," and "judge not, lest ye be judged and found wanting."
I'll save an apology until I get a straight answer.
Originally posted by SolaScriptura
He didn't SAY he wasn't a homosexual...didja see that? I told you so...I knew it all along!
SteveF (just in case you read this)... I went to college at Moody. Through a ministry at Nothwestern I interacted with numerous homosexuals. In addition, I worked at Hewitt Associates in Lincolnshire and there they gave us an entire course on "diversity training" which, strangely, focused on little else than homosexuality. The whole course was homosexual propoganda.
Through these avenues is how I came to know what (little) I know about the homosexual subculture.
[Edited on 4-26-2005 by SolaScriptura]
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
Originally posted by SolaScriptura
He didn't SAY he wasn't a homosexual...didja see that? I told you so...I knew it all along!
SteveF (just in case you read this)... I went to college at Moody. Through a ministry at Nothwestern I interacted with numerous homosexuals. In addition, I worked at Hewitt Associates in Lincolnshire and there they gave us an entire course on "diversity training" which, strangely, focused on little else than homosexuality. The whole course was homosexual propoganda.
Through these avenues is how I came to know what (little) I know about the homosexual subculture.
[Edited on 4-26-2005 by SolaScriptura]
Ben,
Not to defend Steve, but ultimately, what you accuse him of is no less than an assertion. Just because he didn't deny the charge does not make him guilty of it.........
We all need to be a tad bit more graceful.
Originally posted by turmeric
Maybe someone should post an apology on his blog? I'd hate to think good Calvinists like us can't admit when we've slandered someone, however inadvertently!
Originally posted by joshua
Does Steve subscribe to the LBCF or WCF?