Is what Pat Robertson said correct?
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toddpedlar
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Pat Robertson is a fool and an embarrassment to the church. It's a pity he has as large an audience as he does.
DMcFadden
Puritanboard Commissioner
Am I seeing a trend with Yale Law grads? Or is it the New York Theological Seminary degree? Maybe it is his SBC ordination?
I'm voting for failed prophecies:
* Robertson predicted that the end of the world was coming in November or October 1982.
* In May 2006, Robertson declared that storms and possibly a tsunami would hit America's coastline sometime in 2006.
* On the January 2, 2007 broadcast of The 700 Club, Robertson said that God spoke to him and told him that "mass killings" were to come during 2007, due to a terrorist attack on the United States
* In October 2008 he said that "we have between 75 and 120 days before the Middle East starts spinning out of control."
Still in January of 20089 he did predict that a recession would occur in the United States that would be followed by a stock market crash by 2010.
Rich Koster
Puritan Board Post-Graduate
I thought it was a pitiful summary. Jesus made a comment about Galileans & some people a tower fell on. It would be wise if Pat read Luke 13:1-5 and meditated on that passage.
AThornquist
Puritan Board Doctor
If that wolf gets on my property I'm going to shoot it.
Evan on the last point he is wrong, a Market correction is a better term, and while a few little bumps are around, most agree: Including Warren Buffet who putting money where his mouth is is swinging major Capitol into the Market!
Forced abortion = ok? Pat Robertson is a complete raving moonbat. And he glorifies atheists really well.
ChristianTrader
Puritan Board Graduate
I don't have a problem with his statement. Righteousness exalts a nation, always has and always will. Now I do not know the history of Dominican Republic vs. Haiti so I don't know how accurate his contrast is. Pointing out that evil things happen to good Christians does not refute the point. Even looking at Israel, there were good folks when Israel was defeated and enslaved etc. Bad things happening can be a blessing in disguise if people use the situation to evaluate their lives and turn to God.
Also the opening question is whether or not Pat is correct on this topic, not whether or not he was wrong on 36 of the last 35 things he has said.
Also the opening question is whether or not Pat is correct on this topic, not whether or not he was wrong on 36 of the last 35 things he has said.
ChristianTrader
Puritan Board Graduate
I think it is more charitable and more reasonable to take it that the disaster is a result of "their living up to their end of the deal". If it was all in the hands of Satan then why leave the possibility open to revival and saner days ahead. It also seems that he is referring to some relatively open secret about why witchcraft etc is so prevalent there. As I said, my history of that region is not comprehensive but such a turn of events I find plausible.
Who cares? He's so full of nonsense. Seems ole Pat thinks the devil's got authority to bargain over souls.If I were an unbeliever and thought Pat Robertson was an accurate representative of what Christianity taught, I'd never become one. Praise God, though, he's not.
Unfortunately many non-Christians do look at him as an accurate representation of what Christianity teaches.
Thats what I was trying to figure out, if Haiti did make a deal with the devil?
Pity indeed.
TimV
Puritanboard Botanist
You make a pact with the devil every time you tolerate a corrupt official, let your daughter sleep around, don't give to the church, cheat your neighbor, hire a witch to hex an enemy and take God's name in vain. You don't have to be a theonomist to see a correlation between cultures that practice a higher level of morality and cultures that have more money, and better building codes. Quakes, droughts and plagues have greater impacts on countries with lower standards of morality. It's a no brainer, at least for anyone who's followed history (or the news). Lack of rains in Somalia have a different effect than lack of rains in California, and even in Nevada drug lords can't murder state officials at will and without consequences.
I just hope people keep in mind that we're not as moral as many of us think, and remember that as Christians we have obligations to Christianize society.
I just hope people keep in mind that we're not as moral as many of us think, and remember that as Christians we have obligations to Christianize society.
AThornquist
Puritan Board Doctor
The ungodliness of Haiti and the United States differ not in measure but mode.
Tim: What I was trying to get at is if Haiti literally made a pact.
I see where you are coming from with your response. [-]But you probably misunderstood the tone of my question[/-]. *[EDIT: I didn't ask my question properly. Sorry]*. I wasn't asking if the quake was a result of the pact. Actually, what I was trying to ask is if a pact (a literal one, done consciously) was even made in the first place. That's it.
Even if a pact was made, that doesn't make us or Haiti's neighbor more moral, as you and Austin have mentioned.
I see where you are coming from with your response. [-]But you probably misunderstood the tone of my question[/-]. *[EDIT: I didn't ask my question properly. Sorry]*. I wasn't asking if the quake was a result of the pact. Actually, what I was trying to ask is if a pact (a literal one, done consciously) was even made in the first place. That's it.
Even if a pact was made, that doesn't make us or Haiti's neighbor more moral, as you and Austin have mentioned.
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Of course y'all knew what I meant when I said pact.
Sorry if I didn't make it clear :/
TimV
Puritanboard Botanist
I'm not sure how a geographic area can make a pact. If there was a pact made by people truly representative of the Haitian people, yes, I really do think that would make a difference. "And all the people said, "His blood shall be on us and on our children!"". But without a good understanding of Haitian history, I'll wait for someone knowledgeable to chime in, and in the mean time assume Roberson's full of it as normal.
I read they had a voodoo service to a voodoo deity involving a pig sacrifice when they were planning to drive out the French, but it seems "pact with the devil" is Robertson's interpretation of that.
Edit: Here is an interesting article about Haiti's history: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243016/ANDREW-MALONE-Rape-murder-voodoo-island-damned.html
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Gloria
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N. Eshelman
Puritan Board Senior
They are like evil Covenanters then, eh?
Thanks for the article.
Ivan
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tlharvey7
Puritan Board Freshman
i think to understand the statement, you have to understand the language/bad theology.
this is all wrapped up in the "spiritual mapping" "spiritual stronghold" (Loren Cunningham/ John Dawson teachings)
it's all utter nonsense, and i cannot believe that i was having to explain these things to non Christians @ work today.
this is all wrapped up in the "spiritual mapping" "spiritual stronghold" (Loren Cunningham/ John Dawson teachings)
it's all utter nonsense, and i cannot believe that i was having to explain these things to non Christians @ work today.
ChristianTrader
Puritan Board Graduate
If one accepts the idea that there are real witches etc. with real power, doesn't one have to accept the idea of a pact with darkness to get that power? The only way outside of that is to believe that Satan grants power for free.
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