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I wanted to give this its own thread and not take up space in the PCA GA thread.
What say you? Is Intinction supportable by Scripture?
What say you? Is Intinction supportable by Scripture?
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(Luk 22:19) And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
(Luk 22:20) Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
What say you? Is Intinction supportable by Scripture?
What say you? Is Intinction supportable by Scripture?
I would say 'no'. How exactly was it done? Was the Sacrament administered in a manner contrary to the WCF?
I wanted to give this its own thread and not take up space in the PCA GA thread.
What say you? Is Intinction supportable by Scripture?
I wanted to give this its own thread and not take up space in the PCA GA thread.
What say you? Is Intinction supportable by Scripture?
Well since Christ distributed the elements separately when instituting the Lord's Supper I think it fails to align properly with the example He set.
What say you? Is Intinction supportable by Scripture?
I would say 'no'. How exactly was it done? Was the Sacrament administered in a manner contrary to the WCF?
What do you see the WCF saying as to the mode of delivering the wine and bread?
I wanted to give this its own thread and not take up space in the PCA GA thread.
What say you? Is Intinction supportable by Scripture?
Well since Christ distributed the elements separately when instituting the Lord's Supper I think it fails to align properly with the example He set.
And what impact does the fact that Jesus used a single cup to distribute the wine portion of the elements, say about how we should distribute the elements?
Well since Christ distributed the elements separately when instituting the Lord's Supper I think it fails to align properly with the example He set.
And what impact does the fact that Jesus used a single cup to distribute the wine portion of the elements, say about how we should distribute the elements?
I'm all for it actually however in a crowd of 500 a "single" cup would be a challenge but I support several common cups.
And what impact does the fact that Jesus used a single cup to distribute the wine portion of the elements, say about how we should distribute the elements?
I'm all for it actually however in a crowd of 500 a "single" cup would be a challenge but I support several common cups.
I don't blame you. All I'm trying to do with my questions is to remind those who immediately reject intinction as improper that they best look carefully at their own practices. If one says, well Jesus didn't use intinction, then one better be ready to answer the question, "how did Jesus actually do it?" It was a single cup for all those partaking. I don't see a tray with small individual cups being used either. I'm not advocating intinction as the way we should celebrate the Lord's Supper, but I do want those who reject intinction as something less than proper, to look carefully at the justification for how they celebrate the Lord's Supper.
And what impact does the fact that Jesus used a single cup to distribute the wine portion of the elements, say about how we should distribute the elements?
I'm all for it actually however in a crowd of 500 a "single" cup would be a challenge but I support several common cups.
I don't blame you. All I'm trying to do with my questions is to remind those who immediately reject intinction as improper that they best look carefully at their own practices. If one says, well Jesus didn't use intinction, then one better be ready to answer the question, "how did Jesus actually do it?" It was a single cup for all those partaking. I don't see a tray with small individual cups being used either. I'm not advocating intinction as the way we should celebrate the Lord's Supper, but I do want those who reject intinction as something less than proper, to look carefully at the justification for how they celebrate the Lord's Supper.
I'm all for it actually however in a crowd of 500 a "single" cup would be a challenge but I support several common cups.
I don't blame you. All I'm trying to do with my questions is to remind those who immediately reject intinction as improper that they best look carefully at their own practices. If one says, well Jesus didn't use intinction, then one better be ready to answer the question, "how did Jesus actually do it?" It was a single cup for all those partaking. I don't see a tray with small individual cups being used either. I'm not advocating intinction as the way we should celebrate the Lord's Supper, but I do want those who reject intinction as something less than proper, to look carefully at the justification for how they celebrate the Lord's Supper.
My rejection of intinction as anti-Biblical and anti-Confessional stems directly from the fact that Christ and Paul both are very clear in the fact we are to discern both the body and the blood separately and also take the elements separately.
I have always seen intinction done for two reasons. 1) Pragmatics. 2) "Mystical Relation" (in other words it heightens the "experience" by using a common cup and common bread).
I don't blame you. All I'm trying to do with my questions is to remind those who immediately reject intinction as improper that they best look carefully at their own practices. If one says, well Jesus didn't use intinction, then one better be ready to answer the question, "how did Jesus actually do it?" It was a single cup for all those partaking. I don't see a tray with small individual cups being used either. I'm not advocating intinction as the way we should celebrate the Lord's Supper, but I do want those who reject intinction as something less than proper, to look carefully at the justification for how they celebrate the Lord's Supper.
My rejection of intinction as anti-Biblical and anti-Confessional stems directly from the fact that Christ and Paul both are very clear in the fact we are to discern both the body and the blood separately and also take the elements separately.
I have always seen intinction done for two reasons. 1) Pragmatics. 2) "Mystical Relation" (in other words it heightens the "experience" by using a common cup and common bread).
Fair enough, and that is a personal decision of yours. I wonder, though, do you also reject multiple individual cups as anti-Biblical and anti-Confessional because Jesus and Paul are very clear that the wine is to be distributed singularly?
(1) Matt. 26:27 the "of it" (the cup) is singular
(2) Mark 14:23 clearly only one cup is used
(3) 1 Corinthians 11:25-26 uses singular "cup"
(4) WCF XXIX.3 uses singular "cup"
If you do then I congratulate you on you consistency.
"For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. "
My rejection of intinction as anti-Biblical and anti-Confessional stems directly from the fact that Christ and Paul both are very clear in the fact we are to discern both the body and the blood separately and also take the elements separately.
I have always seen intinction done for two reasons. 1) Pragmatics. 2) "Mystical Relation" (in other words it heightens the "experience" by using a common cup and common bread).
Fair enough, and that is a personal decision of yours. I wonder, though, do you also reject multiple individual cups as anti-Biblical and anti-Confessional because Jesus and Paul are very clear that the wine is to be distributed singularly?
(1) Matt. 26:27 the "of it" (the cup) is singular
(2) Mark 14:23 clearly only one cup is used
(3) 1 Corinthians 11:25-26 uses singular "cup"
(4) WCF XXIX.3 uses singular "cup"
If you do then I congratulate you on you consistency.
What you present is a false dilemma, an either-or fallacy. Sure we use a common cup, which is then poured into individual receptacles. Our bread likewise comes from a common loaf, which is then torn into individual pieces.
But that hardly is the point in question given that Paul in 1 Cor 11:23-25 posits two distinct and time separate actions:
"For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. "
And in intinction the bread is broken off from a single loaf, accompanied with words signifying the body broken for you.
And in intinction the bread is broken off from a single loaf, accompanied with words signifying the body broken for you.
Can someone explain why intinction is being done in Reformed churches at all? Why do it; it is not a circumstance like wheat bread versus white (maybe in some medical case where one has problem swallowing?). Why do it?
Can someone explain why intinction is being done in Reformed churches at all? Why do it; it is not a circumstance like wheat bread versus white (maybe in some medical case where one has problem swallowing?). Why do it?
Can someone explain why intinction is being done in Reformed churches at all? Why do it; it is not a circumstance like wheat bread versus white (maybe in some medical case where one has problem swallowing?). Why do it?
One of the reasons some use it is to return to partaking from one cup.
Can someone explain why intinction is being done in Reformed churches at all? Why do it; it is not a circumstance like wheat bread versus white (maybe in some medical case where one has problem swallowing?). Why do it?
One of the reasons some use it is to return to partaking from one cup.
But that is not a valid reason to do intinction.