Gage Browning
Puritan Board Freshman
as part of the congregation yes!
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as part of the congregation yes!
The goal of these kinds of conferences is not to feed the sheep but to debate and get discussions going
The goal of these kinds of conferences is not to feed the sheep but to debate and get discussions going
"The Desiring God National Conference is an annual gathering for worship, teaching, prayer, and fellowship centered on the person and work of Jesus Christ. While the conference theme is unique each year, the overarching aims remain the same:
* Doctrine: to see as clearly as we can the whole counsel of God centered in the glory of Christ revealed in the Bible.
* Worship: to savor the sharp contour of his countenance and his accomplishment.
* Mission: to spread a passion for his supremacy in all things for the joy of all peoples."
Sounds more like feeding than debating to me.
I'd say he's got points 1-4 right.
I think it will make for an interesting conference and since I'm not terribly far away from its location I may consider going.
I think it will make for an interesting conference and since I'm not terribly far away from its location I may consider going.
Pray for RW that he does get it right, and bring your paint ball gun (just in case........it says to "mark" heretics)
I truely hope you don't honestly believe that only 5 point calvinists will be in Heaven. If so, that's going to be a rather small and lonely place filled with mostly white guys from Holland and North America.
I truely hope you don't honestly believe that only 5 point calvinists will be in Heaven. If so, that's going to be a rather small and lonely place filled with mostly white guys from Holland and North America.
I truely hope you don't honestly believe that only 5 point calvinists will be in Heaven. If so, that's going to be a rather small and lonely place filled with mostly white guys from Holland and North America.
If so, that's going to be a rather small and lonely place filled with mostly white guys from Holland and North America.
Never was one. There is a difference between ''heresy'' for a Reformed Church (that is what Dort was saying in our English translations) and ''heresy'' for Christianity in general that would include arianism, pelegianism, etc...à
Also, if you look at Dort at Dort in the various english translations (URC, Canadian Reformed, CRC, the French translation used by the ÉRQ, The Heritage reformed congregations, etc...) it doesn't call arminians heretics. In fact it call it the «Arminian error» in several places. The only time heresy is mentioned is when there is a reference to pelegius and if you read the context it is clear that they are not being called pelegians rather the accusation is that of pushing in that direction.
I truely hope you don't honestly believe that only 5 point calvinists will be in Heaven. If so, that's going to be a rather small and lonely place filled with mostly white guys from Holland and North America.
I still don't understand this discussion. Has Arminianism ceased to be heresy? If not, then why is this even an issue? This is not a confessionally out-of-bounds question, it is well within bounds (and then some). We are not talking about some poor misguided congregant, we are talking about a man who does the misguiding. I am all for restoring this man to orthodoxy, but that's not the purpose in inviting him. He has "laid his cards on the table" time and time again; there is no reason to elevate his message/theology/methodology in giving it credibility by an invite to this conference.
Honestly, this is something that has bothered me about "Reformed" believers. We believe that all the reforming is done and if you don't conform to a set of confessions you must be heretical. I'm not saying that Arminians are right, but I am saying that there are many, many brothers and sisters in Christ who are saved and are children of God who don't subscribe to everything we believe. There are things that we can learn from our Arminian brothers and sisters if we would only listen.
I think some of you are evaluating this from the standpoint of your confessional subscriptionism and missing the reason for Piper's actions.
As a Westmont grad (pretty similar to Wheaton where Piper graduated) and Fuller grad (like Piper), I swear that the corporate culture of broad evangelicalism is OPENmindedness. I only half in jest say that a typical Fuller grad preaches "on the one hand, but on the other hand." Piper is a darling of some Reformed folks for the same reason MacArthur is: he boldly proclaims soteriological Calvinism and defends the sovereignty of God. He does not claim to be a Presbyterian, paedo baptist, amillenniarian, or adherent of a NAPARC or ARBCA church. He does not see the sabbath or "2nd Commandment violations" the way PBers do. Inviting a fellow evangelical preacher with zeal to his conference should surprise nobody. Evangelicals pride themselves on being so open that they could share their platform with a Pentecostal, Confessional Calvinist, Methodist, or any other variety of "evangelical." After more than 50 years as a card carying evangelical, Piper's action makes complete sense to me (when thinking like an evangelical) while my time in the PB has left me horrified to see him do it for all of the many reasons identified in this thread.
Here's your confirmation from Piper, himself. In it, he shares this thought:
"At root I think (Rick Warren) is theological and doctrinal and sound.”