Who was Rushdoony?

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  1. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    I did a Wiki, but sometime Wiki gives you a lot, sometimes it leaves you wanting more, the latter was true in this case, other than the basics I got from Wiki, why and how is he so important to so many Reformed Christians, I know he was strong for the Home-Schooling and all that, but what other factors make him important? Grace and Peace.:popcorn:
     
  2. ReformedReidian

    ReformedReidian Puritan Board Doctor

    Wiki is useful on rare occasions but usually borders on being an old joke that is no longer funny. The problem with Rushdoony threads is that most Reformed people momentarily pretend to be "all or nothing" guys. Meaning, well, if Rush is wrong on one thing, then he is a wrong teacher. That sort of thinking, however, never works.

    The best discussion of Rushdoony comes from Professor John Frame. He avoids the typical Reformed anathemas and hero-worship.
    Forward to <i>A Comprehensive Faith</i>

    Rushdoony was a gigantic, systematic thinker. He wrote over 50 books, inspired the modern home-school, Christian school movement (here is the biggest irony: many Reformed folk who hate Rushdoony are christian-schooling their kids and often use the same arguments he did). He read 6 books a week for 50 years. He has over 1500 lectures online at The Chalcedon Foundation - Faith for All of Life . You can sample about 20 free ones. The Chalcedon Foundation - Faith for All of Life

    Now, since Rushdoony is a systematic thinker who literally addressed all areas of life: education, law, philosophy, theology, sociology, literature, he is going to make some mistakes. So what? We are big kids and can read people with whom we disagree. I believe that when people start reading Rushdoony, they note his historical insight and new worlds are opened up to them.

    And people will often point out, "He said Calvin's thought was heretical." No, he didn't. He said one tiny aspect of one subdivision of one division of Calvin's thought was phrased just like several heretical anabaptists. And Rushdoony continually read Calvin's Institutes for 50 years (which is more than anyone else on this board).
     
  3. ReformedReidian

    ReformedReidian Puritan Board Doctor

    Here is Mark Rushdoony's eulogy on his father:

     
  4. ReformedReidian

    ReformedReidian Puritan Board Doctor

    you can also go to ITunes and type in "Rushdoony" in the search engine and get the Rushdoony podcast.
     
  5. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    Is he still alive?:popcorn: NEVERMIND......I saw the eulogy from his son! So I guess he munched the dirt-sandwich!
     
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  6. 3John2

    3John2 Puritan Board Freshman

    My pastor was constantly quoting Rushdoony & didn't even know who he was. I thought his name was Rush Dooney you know like Rush Limbaugh!! Anyways I later started reading him & wow!!! I'm currently going through "Salvation & Godly Rule" & I'm very impressed by the man. I'm also impressed he actually read more books than me per week. Very humbling:applause:Thanks to Spear Dane here I'm also into listening to his MP3's on the site. So much good info. Like he said you might not agree 100% with the man, but I dont' know anyone who agrees 100% with ANYONE , but there is no denying he was a giant among us. I"m currently going through his History of the US lectures which are great.
     
  7. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    Thank you! I am glad I am not the only one who never heard of him:) He SHOULD have changed his name to Rush Dooney! That has a nice "ring" to it!:popcorn: Kidding aside I DO want to hear some of his stuff!:pilgrim:
     
  8. ReformedReidian

    ReformedReidian Puritan Board Doctor

    I would definitely start with listening to the free audio i linked to. As to reading, I wouldn't start wtih Institutes of Biblical Law. That's way too much. I would probably start with something like Foundations of Social Order or Intellectual Schizophrenia. My personal favorite is Politics of Guilt and Pity
     
  9. Thomas2007

    Thomas2007 Puritan Board Sophomore

    Ouch, I posted a response to your question in the other thread where you asked you Rushdoony was. Your phraseology here isn't good, I perceive it as being disrespectful, although I doubt you intended it that way.
    Please consider, though, of avoiding slang of this nature as poor communications corrupt good manners.

    Cordially,

    Thomas
     
  10. etexas

    etexas Puritan Board Doctor

    AS you people know I have an odd sense of humor! that was ONLY a joke!
     
  11. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor


    Well, I did start with IBL, though I usually make mistakes like that; though you could start by reading a few pages of it at a time - maybe only at weekends.

    :violin:Sadly, I think Rush's other books take a back seat to IBL, and this is not always a good thing. The reason I say that is because he made some rash statements in that volume, which he did not make in other books, and so those with an axe to grind pick up on this. For instance, his off-the-cuff comments that Calvin (taken out of context) was talking "heretical nonsense", and that the WCF 19:4 (again taken out of context) was talking "nonsense", gave the enemies of Theonomy ammunition. Note however, that Rush said these things BEFORE the likes of Martin Foulner, Chris Strevel, James Jordan, Ken Gentry and Gary North did their historical research. Also, it is sad that the likes of Carl Trueman has picked up on his comments about the holocaust in IBL, in order to discredit his credibility as a historian. Yet you would think that if you were going to prove what a poor historian he was, you would begin by looking at his books on history, not a passing comment in a book about Biblical law. :rant:

    So read IBL, but don't neglect his other stuff. So far, I would agree with Jacob that Politics of Guilt and Pity is the best Rushdoony book I have read - though that may change. :book2:
     
  12. Thomas2007

    Thomas2007 Puritan Board Sophomore

    Foundations of Social Order is world changing, it's often too much for a new person to digest. It was the first book I read on Rushdoony, it took me about a year, as my soul kept feeling like a dartboard. Often I could read a few pages and then spend all of the next day thinking about it, as I started analyzing it. I've since read it several times now, just to actually digest it's full meaning, as I slowly became Reformed over a period of about 15 years. Each time I read it, it's new light.

    Rushdoony's entire way of comprehensive thinking in terms of Reformed Theology is what is most impressive and what is incredibly value to glean from him, just as much as the theology he is teaching applied to a specific sphere. If you want to learn how to think, read Rushdoony.

    All of his works are excellent as I've read them all, I've also had the privilege of reading private correspondence between Rushdoony and my Pastor during the 1970's, and several legal analysis of Rushdoony, that has been incredibly valuable. I've taken up some research on this and will be going to St Louis sometime soon and hope to go the Reformed library of the PCA and read some letters between Rushdoony and Singer deposited there.

    For a new guy that has never read him, I would recommend "The Atheism of the Early Church," because it is small, a hundred pages or so. This is where I start my children when they get about 12 or 13 years old on Rushdoony, it's a small enough work to get started without being intimidated by the magnitude of what lays ahead when you get through 10 pages of a 400 page book.
     
  13. Thomas2007

    Thomas2007 Puritan Board Sophomore

    Sir, it's not acceptable as a joke. If you homeschool or are ever thinking about it, the reason you won't go to jail for doing so is because of RJ Rushdoony. Because of him, every Christian family that homeschools owes a debt of gratitude for not having to suffer persecution.

    The name of Rushdoony to the independence of the Christian home is as hallowed as that of Washington, Madison and Jefferson to the independence of the United States from Great Britain. It's entirely improper to joke that way about men of great character and a legacy of life's work that has such tremendous meaning.
     
  14. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor


    Since our brother was not intentionally being disrespectful, let's try not to fall out about his terminology and give him the benefit of the doubt. As one of R.J. Rushdoony's greatest admirers I was not offended in the slightest.
     
  15. Thomas2007

    Thomas2007 Puritan Board Sophomore

    Daniel,

    I did give him the benefit of the doubt in a gentle admonition. I'm not really concerned about the terminology, nor the offense, as I wasn't offended - but the attitude that then justifies it. It's simply about giving honor to where honor is due, and being polite enough to accept a gentle admonition, instead of a self justified indirect negation of that admonition. As I said, poor communications corrupt good manners.

    Cordially,


    Thomas
     
  16. ReformedReidian

    ReformedReidian Puritan Board Doctor

    Thanks for the testimony. I started off with IBL. It took me little over a year. In the meanwhile I read Foundations and his two books on American history.

    What do you think of his Systematic Theology? I am in volume 2 at the moment.
     
  17. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    Thomas,

    I don't see anything necessarily disrespectful of etexas' comment. PM me if you want to discuss it.

    BTW, I find your reference to Ephesians 4:29 or 1 Corinthians 15:33 lacking in your application here.

    Randy

    P.S. PM me do not keep this up on this thread or I will add an infraction.
     
  18. 3John2

    3John2 Puritan Board Freshman

    I still like "Salvation & Godly Rule". I first read "Philosophy of History". Also I would recommend the Chalcedon magazine. I personally enjoy that.
     
  19. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor


    Yes, as far as I am aware, 1 Corinthians 15:33 (which can also be translated "bad company corrupts good morals") refers to people keeping bad company with the wicked, and the corrupting effect it has on their behaviour. It is not a reference to people being "bad mannered" or impolite as we understand it.
     
  20. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor


    You may find this article by Andrew Sandlin R.J. Rushdoony: Champion of Faith and Liberty to be of some help to you.

    :cheers::popcorn:
     
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  21. Amazing Grace

    Amazing Grace Puritan Board Junior

    His name will go down as one of the classics. I just love the way it looks and sounds. What is his nationality?

    I can just picture and hear Michael Buffer anouncing:

    RRRRUSHHHHHHHHHHDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
     
  22. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor

    :lol: I must confess I love saying his name as well. Rushdoony was an Armenian who was not an Arminian.:)
     
  23. ReformedReidian

    ReformedReidian Puritan Board Doctor

    His parents emigrated from Armenia/Turkey during the Turkish genocide. Five minutes after his parents crossed the river/border into Russia, the Turks slaughtered the rest of his people who were still trapped on the other side of the river. Recently President Bush shot down an attempt to recognize the Armenian holocaust. If he did so, he would anger Turkey which would hamper the War for Democracy in Iraq.
     
  24. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor

    It is a shame to hear this; with a "Christian" President like "W" who needs pagans.:mad: Mind you, even he is better than the alternative.

    BTW, I am reading you avatar's biography at the moment.
     
  25. 3John2

    3John2 Puritan Board Freshman

    I'm about to expose my ignorance but who'd that on the avatar?
     
  26. ReformedReidian

    ReformedReidian Puritan Board Doctor

    Former Chief Justice Roy Moore. He was deposed (contra the will of the voters of Alabama and the Law of God) for acknowledging the Sovereignty of God in Civil Law (that's the prosecuting Attny General's words, not mine). I had the privilege of meeting him in West Monroe, LA in 2005.

    Foundation for Moral Law
     
  27. Southern Presbyterian

    Southern Presbyterian Moderator Staff Member

    You can hear Judge Moore as he address the subject of God and Civil Government Here. And I am sure there are many other resources out there for those who are interested.
     
  28. ReformedReidian

    ReformedReidian Puritan Board Doctor

    Is there any way to put that in mp3 format?
     
  29. Southern Presbyterian

    Southern Presbyterian Moderator Staff Member

    Here you go. Just right click the links and "save target as" (or whatever you particular browser requires you to do).

    Your Thinking Has Been Evolutionized

    The Duty Of All Nations To Acknowledge God

    The Triune God Is Superior To Civil Government

    Separation Of Church And State

    Know The Man


    FYI, the 5th program is an interview with Judge Moore's Chief of Security/Body Guard, Leonard Holyfield (yes, he is Evander's cousin). He has some great insight into the person of Judge Moore.

    Both are godly men and "giants" in their own ways.
     
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  30. ReformedReidian

    ReformedReidian Puritan Board Doctor

    Bless you. I met Judge Moore and saw Leonard up close. Leonard is a big man!
     
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