Just because it sounds weird doesn't mean it is weird. Can't be anything wrong with it if that's how God wants it.
But Hebrews 11 says Enoch did not die.
Because the bible says Christ entered first as forerunner. Because Christ prepared a place for us who will follow. Because Christ is the firstfruits of those who sleep. Because Christ is the firstborn from the dead. You can look up the passages.They were the exception in being the only two guys to get taken to Heaven without dying, so why can't they be the exception in also getting their glorified bodies first? God is free to do what He likes.
I think that David would qualify as a "notable saint". So this blows a hole in that theory.If I remember correctly, the sermon or teaching I heard said that these may have been “notable” saints.
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.You're right - somehow I completely missed that and stand corrected. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
I still think the biggest obstacle to overcome is Jesus being the first. Without more time and study on the matter, I will leave it at that.
Before the resurrection our bodies rest in the grave and our disembodied souls go to the Lord. After the resurrection we will be reunited again body and soul.
Enoch and Elijah were never...well...disembodied. They disappeared with their bodies.
Are they and Jesus the only "intact" persons there right now? Or did Enoch and Elijah go somewhere else to wait?
The Garden of Eden had no sin but was physical. Could they be waiting there? Or did they precede Jesus to heaven with their bodies even though Jesus is the first-fruits of the resurrection?
Related question: If it is appointed to every man to die once.....well....don't they gotta die? Are they the two witnesses to be killed in Revelation? Seems like they gotta die.
Thank you for the tip on etiquette. I don't interact on here that much.Graham, the Admins here generally frown on making back to back to back to back posts like that. If you are entering a thread that is in progress, and want to comment on multiple things, you can hit "+Quote" on each post, then hit "Reply" and reply to them all at once.
Is that Santa Claus in your profile pic? Or maybe Gandalf?I always thought these passages were interesting.
Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Mat 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Mat 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
Mat 17:7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
Mat 17:8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
2Pe 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2Pe 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.