Where are you on the Calvinism Chart?

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  1. Hyper-Calvinism

    2.1%
  2. Ultra High Calvinism

    5.5%
  3. High Calvinism

    55.9%
  4. Moderate Calvinism

    33.8%
  5. Low Calvinism

    1.4%
  6. Lutheranism

    1.4%
  7. Free-will Baptist

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Arminianism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Civbert

    Civbert Puritan Board Junior

    Look at the following Calvinism Chart and see which best fits your particular Calvinist position. You don't have to agree explicitly with each definition, just place yourself were you most agree.

    This is an OPEN POLL. Your selection is not secret.


    1. Hyper-Calvinism: Beliefs: God is the author of sin and man has no responsibility before God. The Gospel should only preached to the elect. i.e. duty faith. and anti-missionary Belief in the five points is a prerequisite for true salvation, also known as Neo-Gnostic Calvinism. Proponents: Joseph Hussey John Skepp and some English primitive Baptists.

    2. Ultra High Calvinism: Beliefs: That the elect are in some sense eternally justified. A denial of: The Well– Meant Offer; Common Grace; and God having any love for the non-elect. Proponents: John Gill, some ministers in the Protestant Reformed Church of America

    3. High Calvinism: Beliefs: That God in no sense desires to save the reprobate, Most deny the Well-Meant Offer. Supralapsarian viewing God’s decrees. All hold to limited atonement. Most believe in particular grace and see the atonement as sufficient only for the elect. Proponents: Theodore Beza, Gordon Clark, Arthur Pink

    4. Moderate Calvinism: Beliefs: That God does in some sense desires to save the reprobate, Infralapsarian in viewing God’s decrees. Affirms Common Grace. Proponents: John Calvin (some argue that he was a High-Calvinist), John Murray, RL Dabney

    5. Low Calvinism: Beliefs: That Christ died for all in a legal sense, so one can speak of Christ dying for the non-elect. That God has two distinct wills. Affirms the Well-Meant Offer and Common Grace, Proponents: Amyraldrians , RT Kendal

    6. Lutheranism: Beliefs: That Calvinist over emphasize God Sovereignty over man’s responsibility. That Christ died for all in legal sense, that some are predestined on to life but none are predestined onto death. That the sacraments are means of grace regardless of one’s faith. Proponents: Martin Luther, Philipp Melanchthon, Rod Rosenbladt

    7. American Baptist: Beliefs: That God has given man libertarian freedom, that God’s knowledge of future is based on His foreknowledge. That Christ died for all and desires all to be saved. Once a persons believes the gospel, he is eternally secure. Rejects Calvinism, some would even call it heretical. Proponents: Jerry Falwell, Adrian Rogers

    8. Arminianism Beliefs: That God has given man libertarian freedom, that God’s knowledge of future is solely based on His foreknowledge. That Christ died for all and desires all to be saved. A person can fall from the state of grace i.e. lose ones salvation, since it is our free will that chooses Christ at conversion. Proponents: Jacob Arminius, John Wesley some Methodists

      http://www.exegiaaudio.org/exegiacalvinsimweb.mht

    P.S. Almost forgot: copyright Rev Jonathan James Goundry. Thanks VanVos.
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2007
  2. AV1611

    AV1611 Puritan Board Senior

    You label me!!

    I believe that the gospel is to be preached to all mankind; however,
    I deny duty faith and duty repentance.
    I deny common grace.
    I deny that the gospel is an "offer" and is rather a declaration.
    I hold to eternal justification.
    I hold to supralapsarianism.

    = IMO I am a high Calvinist :book2:
     
  3. Civbert

    Civbert Puritan Board Junior

    I picked ultra-high just so the curve will be a little more uniform. :) High-calvinism is probably the best fit for me.
     
  4. Magma2

    Magma2 Puritan Board Sophomore

    I'm a little confused as to the difference between ultra and high octane Calvinism?

    Also, per High it states: "Some believe in particular grace. . . ."

    Should that be common grace? I thought all Calvinists even the anemic kind believe in particular grace?
     
  5. VanVos

    VanVos Puritan Board Sophomore

    Thanks for putting the poll together. Looks like High-calvinism is the general consensus of the puritanboard. Have you heard this book High Calvinists in Action ?
    I think I'm going to have purchase a copy.:book2:

    VanVos
     
  6. Jimmy the Greek

    Jimmy the Greek Puritan Board Senior

    I'll gladly sit in the "High Calvinism" pew with Turretin and Owen. :cheers:
    Although I lean toward Infra rather than Supra.
     
  7. Magma2

    Magma2 Puritan Board Sophomore

    Aren't you jumping to conclusions? There have only been 7 respondents so far. This isn't CBS news! :lol:
     
  8. historyb

    historyb Puritan Board Junior

    I picked High Calvinism, but I can say that in discussion on other forums I go into ultra high Calvinism in some of the way I put things
     
  9. jenney

    jenney Puritan Board Freshman

    Well, after answering the last poll wrongly because I didn't understand a term ("justified true belief" where I thought true meant genuine/sincere and it meant correct) I'm going to ask first before I define myself!

    I've heard different people mean different things by "common grace". I believe in it in the sense that all men deserve hell, yet are allowed this present life for a time. I also believe that for the non-elect those good things are unto judgment so maybe that is denying common grace. So what do you mean by it so that I can know if I believe it or deny it? :)

    And I don't know what i think about the lapsarianism business, so I won't count that in my answer. I think I'm going to end up "high" but the jury's still out. I have to admit that "high" sounds more respectable than "low" so I feel somewhat abashed about choosing it, but that's the way it goes.
     
  10. VanVos

    VanVos Puritan Board Sophomore

    Depends who you read:

    In my reading I found that John Owen was a high calvinist but believed in common grace, I think also Turretin. Some say no high calvinist believes in common grace, some say all do, so I think the most accurate position is some do.

    VanVos
     
  11. Jimmy the Greek

    Jimmy the Greek Puritan Board Senior

    Jenny, just click on "High." :lol:

    Also, I think VanVos (Jonathan) admits there may be some adjustments needed in his definitions/distinctions. And there is some overlap to be considered. But looking at the spectrum of categories, one can generally pick a place for himself. :2cents:
     
  12. Civbert

    Civbert Puritan Board Junior

    :rofl: You can go home folks - the winner has been declared!

    I'm feeling lonely as the uno ultra. I wonder if we will see the Buffalo effect. Anyone feel influenced by the fact that (so far) the vast majority is High-Calvinism. Does it make want to vote with the winners.

    The inner-irrationalist in me feels like a loser. But then the same inner-irrationalist says being at the top of the list makes me number one!

    <play Rocky theme music>

    :D
     
  13. AV1611

    AV1611 Puritan Board Senior

  14. VanVos

    VanVos Puritan Board Sophomore

    I perceive that most puritanboard folks will be high to ultra. I think the people here like to be consistent in their theology :)
     
  15. Me Died Blue

    Me Died Blue Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    I would say this is a good illustration of why broad distinctions like these (low, moderate, high, ultra-high Calvinism) are often arbitrary and seldom helpful. Much better to compare the Reformed confessions (and theologians) on each individual issue, observing where they are silent, and where they emphasize things differently.

    That said, I did vote, but basically just in hopes of helping to make it clear that infras do make up a significant portion of all Calvinists currently (just as they always have historically).
     
  16. Romans922

    Romans922 Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    What is the 'well-meant offer'
     
  17. Jimmy the Greek

    Jimmy the Greek Puritan Board Senior

    As I see it, the Well-Meant-Offer reflects the view of the Murray-Stonehouse Report in 1948 response to Clark-VanTil controversy.
     
  18. larryjf

    larryjf Puritan Board Senior

    I picked high calvinism.

    supralapsarian, limited atonement, the atonement is sufficient for the elect only.
     
  19. AV1611

    AV1611 Puritan Board Senior

  20. ReformedWretch

    ReformedWretch Puritan Board Doctor

    Curious as to who the hyper vote belongs to...
     
  21. Civbert

    Civbert Puritan Board Junior

    I think it's actually quite useful in getting a ball-park view. The fact that there are different denominations is a case in point. If we didn't find the categories helpful, we'd all be non-denominational.

    Didn't the infra make up the majority in that poll? I think it was pretty evenly split. I'll have to do a search.


    P.S. It was close, almost 40% infra. http://www.puritanboard.com/showthread.php?t=16603&highlight=supralapsarian
     
  22. Theogenes

    Theogenes Puritan Board Junior

    HIGH Calvinism.
    I'm glad no one has said "I'm a high Calvinist" because certain hippy types might get the wrong idea...:lol:
     
  23. Civbert

    Civbert Puritan Board Junior

    It's an open poll. You can click on the numbers to see who voted for what.

    Should I have added that information to the first post? I think we tend to think open polling is not good, and secret ballets are better. But I was interested in seeing if anyones vote were a surprise.

    P.S. I just added that poll is "open" in the first post.
     
  24. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor

    I'm about 50% moderate, 30% high and 20% ultra if that's possible.
     
  25. JonathanHunt

    JonathanHunt Puritan Board Senior

    I am majority moderate, but as with most polls the options are limited. The part of me that isn't moderate is high, but not ultra-high.

    JH
     
  26. Civbert

    Civbert Puritan Board Junior

    :wow: That's impossible!! :D It's inconceivable!!

    I thought about making it multiple choice. :think:
     
  27. Blueridge Believer

    Blueridge Believer Puritan Board Professor

    I'm so confused. :p :duh: :doh:
     
  28. Romans922

    Romans922 Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    I am a mix between High and Moderate Calvinism --> I picked Moderate.
     
  29. Chris

    Chris Puritan Board Sophomore

    I think free-will baptists generally deny Eternal security, don't they?

    Adrian Rogers wouldn't, by that standard, qualify as a free-will baptist.

    I don't think falwell would either...???

    <--high C
     
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