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  1. Blue Tick

    Blue Tick Puritan Board Graduate

    What's going on in the Dispy camp since Obama is now President Elect? Do any of you have any friends or relatives who think Obama is the Anti-Christ.

    I'm not trying to harp on Dispys, I'm just curious what their reaction has been to Obama's election.
     
  2. KMK

    KMK Moderator Staff Member

    Yes! I get the feeling they actually hope he is.
     
  3. Barnpreacher

    Barnpreacher Puritan Board Junior

    I preach a Bible Conference every fall at a church in St. Louis that has strong dispensational leanings. Some of them were saying they believed Obama was the Antichrist. Others didn't thinks so.

    Here's what I don't understand. If I really believed that Obama was the Antichrist why would I be spreading all these emails about how times are so scary right now? If I still adhered to that system of thought, then why would I think times are scary if I was truly a Christian? I mean if Obama is the Antichrist then this should be the time that dispensational Christians have been waiting for.

    I am NOT trying to be mean and rip on dispensationalists. I believed that system of thought for most of my Christian life. But I am being serious with this question. The same Christians who believe that way and believe that Obama is the Antichrist are spreading these emails about what scary these times these are. :confused:
     
  4. Zenas

    Zenas Snow Miser

    Yes. I know a person or two who think that.
     
  5. Jimmy the Greek

    Jimmy the Greek Puritan Board Senior

    There are many "non-Christians" who actually think he is the Messiah. Perhaps they don't regard him as the actual biblical Messiah, but they use the term seriously nevertheless and really see him as not only a savior for our country but the world. I kid you not!
     
  6. JM

    JM Puritan Board Professor

    Kind of, a guy just before the election told me Obama is working for the Anti-Christ.
     
  7. BJClark

    BJClark Puritan Board Doctor

    I don't know of any that believe he is the anti-Christ, but I've come across various websites that are looking at world events and wondering what's going on..not just concerning him specifically, but other things going on around the world..but if you look at various things it can certainly be 'seen' as conspiracy or a global one world government, religion whatever..

    Like this:

    European Neighbourhood Policy

    Keeping The Home: Are we in the 7-Year Tribulation?

    which mentions this:

    Texts adopted (June 2000)

    and this:

    The New World Order

    which mentions this:

    DEPARTMENT OF STATE PUBLICATION 7277

    and then there are these things:

    U.S. Army To Be Deployed For Domestic Duty : The Commentary

    COMBAT BRIGADE STATIONED IN US

    President-Elect Obama and the Future of US Foreign Policy: A Roundtable Discussion

    Democracy Now! | President-Elect Obama and the Future of US Foreign Policy: A Roundtable Discussion

    and some have mentioned this:

    Halliburton News

    Pacific News Service > News > Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps

    This one gives a list of various executive orders (I'll have to search some of them out..to double check them--many of these go back years, but have not been implemented

    CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN THE U.S.?

    but here are a few that are listed:

    10995--All communications media seized by the Federal Government.

    10997--Seizure of all electrical power, fuels, including gasoline and minerals.

    10998--Seizure of all food resources, farms and farm equipment.

    10999--Seizure of all kinds of transportation, including your personal car, and control of all highways and seaports.

    11000--Seizure of all civilians for work under Federal supervision.


    Public Law 87-297 This one is from 1961?

    Disarming the US--this refers to the public law from 1961 above..

    Charlotte Iserbyt -- Base Closures: Disarming America

    Dialogue on Religions..

    Bush to attend UN dialogue on religions | International | Jerusalem Post

    Science Blog -- First Comprehensive Analysis Of Religion at the UN Released; Provides Blueprint for Religion to Play More Constructive Role

    Human rights and Religion

    http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=24438&Cr=human&Cr1=rights

    Global Religion??

    United Nations plan to build a global religion

     
  8. Brother John

    Brother John Puritan Board Sophomore

    Coworker sees Anti-christ in President Elect

    I have a coworker in the office who without a doubt believes that Obama is the anti-christ. He stays on line all day reading a website called "the trumpet" (Which is starting to raise some negative attention from our boss. He may get fired over this obsession). All he talks about to everyone is that its all about to start and we better get ready for the "civil war" thats coming. Its gotten to a point where everybody sees him as a joke at work. But the positive thing out of it is that many of the guys have come to me and asked what I thought about this Obama/anti-christ deal. Which has given me more oppurtunities to speak the truth to these lost coworkers.

    On a side note I have had several customers say that they believe that Obama is the anti-christ. One of them told us that they were sitting at church lunch talking about how they needed to "kill the anti-christ before he could take power" but he reassured us that he calmed them all down by telling them "you cant kill the anti-christ".

    It's embarrasing to think that when the Lord first saved me I feel for the dispy teaching hook line and sinker. But praise the Lord he opened my eyes to the reformed faith. :bouncy:
     
  9. BJClark

    BJClark Puritan Board Doctor

    Gomarus;

    I've seen comments to that effect, but I don't know the people personally.

    Look at Oprah, and the news media...they all seem to think/believe that..
     
  10. Ivan

    Ivan Pastor

    Our country and the world are going to be sorely disappointed.
     
  11. ManleyBeasley

    ManleyBeasley Puritan Board Junior

    My cousin told me that he thought Obama may be the antichrist. I took him to 2 Thes. 2, 1 Tim. 4, and Revelation and showed him who the antichrist (vice-christ, vicar of Christ) is. He is meant to be identified and the protestant church has done that (thats what I told him). He no longer thinks Obama is the antichrist.
     
  12. eqdj

    eqdj Puritan Board Freshman

    One talk radio personality yesterday (11/7) and Thursday (11/6) kept saying it was creepy that the pick three numbers in the Illinois (Obama's home stateJ) lottery numbers the day after the election were 666.
     
  13. OPC'n

    OPC'n Puritan Board Doctor

    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
  14. BJClark

    BJClark Puritan Board Doctor

    eqdj;

    :lol:

    I bought a couple things from the store the other day and the total came to $6.66, the cashier kinda freaked out and asked if I wanted to buy something else. I looked at her and said..Umm, No. She asked "Doesn't that scare you?" I told her, "No, It doesn't, they are just numbers, no reason to be afraid of numbers." She was like "okay, are you sure?"
     
  15. Christusregnat

    Christusregnat Puritan Board Professor

    Change the article from "the" to "an", and I agree wholeheartedly.

    Cheers,
     
  16. Blue Tick

    Blue Tick Puritan Board Graduate

    Gotcha. True indeed!
     
  17. Matthew1034

    Matthew1034 Puritan Board Freshman

    I concur!
     
  18. BJClark

    BJClark Puritan Board Doctor

    I wanted to add one I forgot...Louis Farrakan, claims Obama is the Messiah as well..

    The Mahdi: Islam’s Awaited Messiah

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/ch04_the_mahdi.htm
     
  19. kalawine

    kalawine Puritan Board Junior

    :rofl::rofl:
     
  20. Wannabee

    Wannabee Obi Wan Kenobi

    Wow, Bobbi. Either you're really fast, or need a job or another hobby. ;) What an amazing list of resources. Did you actually read them all?

    Though I had a short season when I chased this stuff a bit (maybe a year), the futility of it soon overtook me. I remember a friend of mine, just after 9/11, sharing an email they'd received from a charismania missionary in S. America who saw prophetic fulfillment. I responded that he's wasting his time and that, as horrible as what happened was, in the scheme of things it was just a blip on the calendar. It's nothing compared to the wholesale slaughter of unborn babies each day.

    Haven't run across any "Obama's the man" folks though. I'm sure I will.
     
  21. danborvan

    danborvan Puritan Board Freshman

    Many of the Dispy's that I know are relieved that they no longer have to re-interpret their proof-texts in order to accommodate Hillary as the Anti-Christ. :D
     
  22. Grymir

    Grymir Puritan Board Graduate

    The Rapture index is up to 158. It was 151 the day before the election. (and this is down 1 point from yesterday) Maybe we should be ready to go! Just look at Biggandy's avatar. I think he's ready to be raptured!! :lol:
     
  23. BJClark

    BJClark Puritan Board Doctor

    Wannabee;

    I've read through parts of them, others I skimmed through and picked up key words and ran a search on those to see what could be verified, through other sources..

    But right now, my husband is sick (been sick for a couple weeks now, been on med's but they don't seem to be working), my son went w/ his dad, my daughters went to the mall and then a school play, so they have been gone a majority of the day..so this gave me something to do..other than watch TV.

    But then reading these things has been kind of fun...I haven't really paid much attention to most of these things in awhile...but knowing what's going on around the world is a good thing..
     
  24. BJClark

    BJClark Puritan Board Doctor

  25. Blue Tick

    Blue Tick Puritan Board Graduate

    What's the highest the RI will go? Also, how is it calculated? :scratch:
     
  26. Jen

    Jen Puritan Board Freshman

    :lol: The Apple I was $666 -- neither Woz nor Jobs knew that the number had any sort of significance; it was just the way the numbers came out after the rounding!

    The other day, I was talking to my dad, and he was saying that he noticed that all the dispy blogs he reads (I didn't actually know he reads dispy blogs, so I don't know which ones he means) are in a bit of a flurry of nervous activity, while all the Reformed blogs are very much the opposite.

    He, too, wondered why they always get anxious about current events when most believe in a pre-tribulational rapture. And then there was the question of why dispensational presidents attempt to make peace in Israel when that's supposed to be a mark of the anti-Christ... All puzzling questions indeed.
     
  27. DMcFadden

    DMcFadden Moderator Staff Member

    A quick Google images search showed . . .

    * The "O" of Obama with devil horns
    * Photoshopping the picture of Obama onto the Sallman head of Christ
    * A Black and Red graphic of Obama sporting horns under the legend: "Anti Christ '08"
    * A photograph of Obama descending from heaven surrounded by admiring folks
    * Satan '08
    * Obama with a halo behind his head
    * Obama with a 666 on his forehead asking how people like his new tatoo
    * A campaign poster of Obama in a pulpit with the words "Faith, Hope, and Change" and an inspirational quote from the President elect

    [​IMG]

    I suspect that we are in for a VERY interesting presidential term with the eschatological expectations heated to a fever pitch.
     
  28. ReformedChapin

    ReformedChapin Puritan Board Freshman

    I go to a dispy church every friday to fellowship. They haven't identified the Anti-Christ yet but they defintely don't cut down on the end times jargon. Every single event seems to be a sign of the end times.
     
  29. calgal

    calgal Puritan Board Graduate

    Sounds about right for dispies. The thing I am still baffled by is how much they fear these events. If they believe the "rapture" is a coming and they will be with Jesus why the fear?
     
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