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I wouldn't call any of the men you mention "Reformed". Calvinistic? Sure. Nice guys, all of them,I'm sure. All have contributed to Christianity in a positive way in some areas. Brothers for sure, but Reformed they are not.
I wouldn't call any of the men you mention "Reformed". Calvinistic? Sure. Nice guys, all of them,I'm sure. All have contributed to Christianity in a positive way in some areas. Brothers for sure, but Reformed they are not.
Keller is Reformed and Charismatic
I wouldn't call any of the men you mention "Reformed". Calvinistic? Sure. Nice guys, all of them,I'm sure. All have contributed to Christianity in a positive way in some areas. Brothers for sure, but Reformed they are not.
Keller is Reformed and Charismatic
If this is true (I don't know much of him, save for the problems that have been brought up here), it is an anomaly and is in conflict with the confession he states he holds....
I wouldn't call any of the men you mention "Reformed". Calvinistic? Sure. Nice guys, all of them,I'm sure. All have contributed to Christianity in a positive way in some areas. Brothers for sure, but Reformed they are not.
Keller is Reformed and Charismatic
If this is true (I don't know much of him, save for the problems that have been brought up here), it is an anomaly and is in conflict with the confession he states he holds....
I've met some Reformed elders (PCA) who would take a cautious view on the possibility of charismatic gifts and thus not a hardline cessationist view. I won't debate whether or not this is confessional, but I don't think this is wholly outside of historic Reformed practice.
Are charasmatic gifts allowed by the Confession though?
That would indeed be the Confession viewpoint in regards to the spiritual gifts, so why would there be any any refomed churches allowing that in their group?
That would indeed be the Confession viewpoint in regards to the spiritual gifts, so why would there be any any refomed churches allowing that in their group?
Would you then by more in line withthose scholars referenced , as they would hold to the Holy Spirit still at times sending to Christian promptings/convictions/guidance in addition to the written word?
The only "nuance" allowed is what is called "mediate prophecy", that is interpreting current events in the light of a deep knowledge of Scripture to conditionally make known what is happening or is going to happen in the light of God's Word.Are charasmatic gifts allowed by the Confession though?
Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men unexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God, and of his will, which is necessary unto salvation. Therefore it pleased the Lord, at sundry times, and in divers manners, to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his church; and afterwards, for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing: which maketh the holy Scripture to be most necessary; those former ways of God’s revealing his will unto his people being now ceased. (WCF 1.1, emphasis added)
And see:
Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in divers manners to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his church; and afterward for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which maketh the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God's revealing his will unto his people being now ceased. (LBCF 1.1)
The historic Reformed position, as I understand it (I'm a cessationist), is that the Westminster Confession's position is that the gifts have ceased, but it does allow for some nuance. See generally:
http://www.wtsbooks.com/the-westmin...0?utm_source=kdeyoung&utm_medium=blogpartners
Not all Reformed groups are confessional. Some have the name "Reformed" because they are Calvinistic in their soteriology i.e. they hold to the Five Points and God's predestination sovereignty - which is a good start. Otherwise they are open to other influences e.g. "contemporary worship", Pentecostalism, etc.That would indeed be the Confession viewpoint in regards to the spiritual gifts, so why would there be any any refomed churches allowing that in their group?
There are five revelatory gifts that we don't look for in this post-Apostolic age, when we have the complete Scriptures, i.e. prophecy, languages, the interpretation of languages, healing and miracles.Think that they would all uphold the 5 points of Grace, so would be reformed in views on Sotierology
The only "nuance" allowed is what is called "mediate prophecy", that is interpreting current events in the light of a deep knowledge of Scripture to conditionally make known what is happening or is going to happen in the light of God's Word.Are charasmatic gifts allowed by the Confession though?
Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men unexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God, and of his will, which is necessary unto salvation. Therefore it pleased the Lord, at sundry times, and in divers manners, to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his church; and afterwards, for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing: which maketh the holy Scripture to be most necessary; those former ways of God’s revealing his will unto his people being now ceased. (WCF 1.1, emphasis added)
And see:
Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in divers manners to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his church; and afterward for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which maketh the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God's revealing his will unto his people being now ceased. (LBCF 1.1)
The historic Reformed position, as I understand it (I'm a cessationist), is that the Westminster Confession's position is that the gifts have ceased, but it does allow for some nuance. See generally:
http://www.wtsbooks.com/the-westmin...0?utm_source=kdeyoung&utm_medium=blogpartners
That is very different to immediate inspiration by the Holy Spirit, such as the biblical prophets and apostles enjoyed.
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Think that they would all uphold the 5 points of Grace, so would be reformed in views on Sotierology