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Discussion in 'Church Order' started by PilgrimPastor, Feb 4, 2008.
Well, as a former High-Church Anglican , I can say, those Priests can PUT IT AWAY!
My dad's Lutheran pastor can put it away too.
That said, he's a realy nice guy though.
Before or after he hits the hootch?
He even brews his own beer. (I know I know, )
feed on Him in your heart, by faith, with thanksgiving
Actually rubrics in the Book of Common Prayer require that either he consume all of the consecrated bread & wine or he summon some of the other brothers in the congregation to join Him in consuming all the remaining consecrated elements.
That's interesting... they sort created an official reason to gather together at the "river" as it were
Some years ago I knew a local Anglican minister who served a rural 5 point charge. He told me that one of the first lessons he learned was how much wine to pour in the cup. Since if he overfilled it & a small crowd showed up by the time he had finished his last service he would be a bit tipsy.
I think Stephens advice is better.
My mom told me about a Catholic Mass she attended. The priest dropped some crumbs of the "host" on the carpet and a girl in the front pew went into hysterical convulsions, "weeping and gnashing teeth!"
Let's be careful not to make "consecrated" anything more than it is - that is, set apart for special use during the service. "Consecration" generally connotes some sort of mystical change in their purpose that extends beyond the worship service - which I have no reason to think we need to attach to it. Once the service is over, that wine and bread have no particular "special" designation - it's just wine and bread. Certainly to toss it down the toilet (why! as one who appreciates a good wine, AACK!) would perhaps be disrespectful - but only if you intended disrespect by it... again, it is ONLY wine after all.
Being good stewards, in our church in NY, we rotated round taking the leftover wine home for dinner; used a local Merlot more often than not, which, by the way, made an EXCELLENT wine sauce for roast beef. More than once I can recall having dinner with friends Lord's Day afternoons accompanied by our leftover communion wine.
Anne, you must have been raised a Roman Catholic. I was RC for about 20 years and served as an altar boy, so yes they have a special sink for disposing of the wine and the "consecrated" bread is placed in the tabernacle at the main altar or a side altar. RC's when I was small were never allowed to chew the bread, so it was placed on your tongue and it dissolved. You did not want to break the poor body of J---s with your teeth. What blasphemy and idolatry they have for common bread
I understand brother. I realize that some may have an issue with wine because of their past. I was refering to those churches that make an issue with using grape juice based on some Biblical admonition. More churches are using both wine and grape juice. Some have made the argument, which I think is valid, that if someone had a problem with alcohol before their conversion, they should not fear taking wine in the Lord's Supper, because Christ has indeed changed their heart. Praise the Lord that He has delivered you from this sin.
Thank you Brother, really I just do it as a matter of prudence. As a man who used to drink Scotch like it was water I am just careful. Grace and Peace.
That is understandable. If I drank scotch, which I cannot stand, I would be sick.
You would also tee-total!
Except I do drink tea (the British way)
Along those same lines, there are some who have actually made an oath to God that they would never again touch alcohol. Whether this was the right thing to do or not, I have trouble encouraging such a person to go against their oath to partake with wine.
Is this similar to your experience, etexas?
It would be close my Brother, partly there is a "why risk it" factor, to me, the emphasis is the blood of the grape as a symbol of our Lord's shed blood. My humble opinion is both pure grape juice OR wine would meet this. In short I am thankful I am in a setting where both are offered under the same blessing to the same Lord.