What is more dangerous to our theology? FV or Dispensationalism?

Discussion in 'Federal Vision/New Perspectives' started by Doulos McKenzie, May 16, 2017.

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  1. Doulos McKenzie

    Doulos McKenzie Puritan Board Freshman

    Just wondering y'all's thoughts. :popcorn:
     
  2. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Senior

    many of those holding to Dospensationalism still would agree on the justification of the Cross as Reformed would, but think those in FV have a different justification model, correct?
     
  3. arapahoepark

    arapahoepark Puritan Board Senior

    FV is inherently anti-Gospel, get in by baptism stay in by works.
    Dispensationalism, as horrendously stupid it is and for all their torturous exegesis does not deny the Gospel. Older forms by implication may(like antinomianism and as well as some two covenant types but, by and large it is not the mainstream dispensationalism any longer.
     
  4. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    Most modern dispensationalists today (you will find very few Scofieldists) hold to sola fide.
     
  5. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    FV is more dangerous to theology. Dispensationalism is more dangerous to the Church.
     
  6. Doulos McKenzie

    Doulos McKenzie Puritan Board Freshman

    could you elaborate?
     
  7. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    FV ruins the doctrine of salvation. Dispensationalism ruins the doctrine of the church
     
  8. GulfCoast Presbyterian

    GulfCoast Presbyterian Puritan Board Junior

    Nailed it.
     
  9. greenbaggins

    greenbaggins Administrator Staff Member

    Hmm, I'm not sure I agree that Dispensationalism is more dangerous to the church than the FV. The FV is the most divisive doctrinal dispute I have ever personally experienced. It even separates previously close friends. The FV's doctrine of the church is very problematic, being a rather authoritarian version of church government. I have seen case after case of church power being abused. And yes, while Dispies believe that there are two peoples of God, which is highly problematic, I can usually get along better with them than with ANY FV supporter.
     
  10. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Senior

    I came out from those circles, and can say that a majority of the Christians who are still really into it were not seeing it as being saved bylaw and now Grace, but more dividing what the church and Israel now still is...
     
  11. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Senior

    How so though? as they still would see the church as being made up of both Jews and Gentiles, just see still a distinction between Israel and Church?
     
  12. Parakaleo

    Parakaleo Puritan Board Freshman

    Federal vision is more dangerous overall. It is a romanizing doctrine and therefore a tactic of antichrist. I'm not sure if you can say the same thing about dispensationalism, since I don't see dispensational people crossing the Tiber.
     
  13. Gforce9

    Gforce9 Puritan Board Junior

    In part, Dispensationalism has always made a separation between the NT "church" and the OT "people of God". The degree or sharpness of the separation has relaxed some since the early manifestations of Dispensationalism, but the seperation remains. There is one people of God, saved by Christ alone, period. Is the church different, segregated groups, saved by various means or one people of God saved by Christ alone? I believe that is why Rev. Winzer on one occasion commented, in part, that if one is not covenantal, they are by definition, dispensational
     
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  14. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Senior

    I was raised up and taught on it though, and was always taught that there has only been one way to get saved, that being the Cross of Christ...
     
  15. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    Did God fall back on Plan B?
     
  16. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    How many peoples of God are there?
     
  17. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Senior

    No, as he always had the church in mind, as it was destined to start at Pentacost....
     
  18. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Senior

    One right now....
     
  19. Doulos McKenzie

    Doulos McKenzie Puritan Board Freshman

    One always. Past Present and Future. If that is denied then by definition you are not Reformed.
     
  20. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Senior

    Since there has always been just one way to be saved, would there not be just one people of God?
     
  21. Gforce9

    Gforce9 Puritan Board Junior

    Ask a Dispensationalist if Abraham & David are their brothers..... Progressive Dispensationalists may answer this a bit differently......
     
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  22. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    You have, perhaps inadvertently, proven my point. While a good FV heretic may get in your face and otherwise make himself (I haven't run across any leading FV women) unwelcome, the Dispys are going to be winsome infiltrators, eager to volunteer and help out, as they sneak into leadership roles and subvert the Church over time.
     
  23. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    Overall? We can bracket out things like Covenant of Works, since that leads to questions regarding Supra and Infra.
     
  24. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritan Board Doctor

    Are we currently in God's parenthesis, ending with the rapture of the church?
     
  25. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    As to theology, FV has been labeled heresy by respectable sources. (See some of the older threads here). Dispensationalism is merely grave error.

    As to the threat to the church, generally see my comment above to the Rev. Keister. It's generally easy to smoke out and deal with FVers. Dispys are going to work their way into position to spread their error.
     
  26. BG

    BG Puritan Board Junior

    I will say dispensationalism has done the most damage and continues to do so.

    I have never met any one who holds to the FV.
     
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  27. Gforce9

    Gforce9 Puritan Board Junior

    I hold to a bi-weekly "pizza day". This is irrespective of Josh's bathing and cologne application schedule......
     
  28. BG

    BG Puritan Board Junior

    Not really sure what you mean?
     
  29. Gforce9

    Gforce9 Puritan Board Junior

    Just trying (and failing) to add a little levity to the current discussion....
     
  30. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Senior

    Think that most of my friends who are still in Dispy churches would disagree with trying to force a takeover though....
     
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