earl40
Puritan Board Professor
Exactly, show me where a RE teaches in scripture...PS. there are none.
Tim don't be sad to have ones mind renewed by scripture.
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Exactly, show me where a RE teaches in scripture...PS. there are none.
Exactly, show me where a RE teaches in scripture...PS. there are none.
Exactly, show me where a RE teaches in scripture...PS. there are none.
Are you an elder?
Exactly, show me where a RE teaches in scripture...PS. there are none.
Of course you would have to show where there is a distinction in Scripture between ruling elder and teaching elder.Exactly, show me where a RE teaches in scripture...PS. there are none.
I'm starting to wonder if perhaps another thread should be started on this subject?
Earl,
I'm not sure if you've even thought through what you were saying. 1 Tim. 3:2, 2 Tim. 2:2, 24 all say that an elder is to be able to teach. Are we talking about grammar and arithmetic? Of course, it is the word of God!
The things which I have listed, as far as I can see, are prohibited by Scripture. The only permissable form of Bible Study that I can see is one lead by either the minister or elders.
As a young Christian I found myself attending two services on a Sunday,
I would be interested in seeing the other threads related to this - or seeing a new thread started. Can you provide links? I’m certainly opposed to women teaching in the church. From there, I become heavily conflicted on what is appropriate. I’ve always struggled to handle the “4 daughters of Philip prophesizing”, “Priscilla teaching Apollos”, or the “prophetess Anna”...There are threads on this already and I wish to not derail this thread anymore. I will leave with just one , or two words. "Ruling"elder..."Teaching"elder.
I would be interested in seeing the other threads related to this - or seeing a new thread started. Can you provide links? I’m certainly opposed to women teaching in the church. From there, I become heavily conflicted on what is appropriate. I’ve always struggled to handle the “4 daughters of Philip prophesizing”, “Priscilla teaching Apollos”, or the “prophetess Anna”...
Hardly...irrefutable
Does your Bible have Titus 2 in it? Or do you contend that such lessons would not be Biblical?
The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
No, you haven't. You interacted with a small portion out of context.I have already addressed this passage in this discussion.
Scripture tells parents- fathers and mothers- to nurture their children in the faith and for children to heed the teachings of their parents. That's completely different and not relevant to what I've been saying.
As to your friends and coworkers: are you holding a bible study in your work? If so and I were your elder I'd tell you to stop. If you want to evangelise your coworkers and give them the reason for the hope which is within you I would say: go for it, we have Scriptural precept for that.
No, you haven't. You interacted with a small portion out of context.
I don't see that Paul's command for women to be silent in the church is restricted to the worship service. They are not to teach and they are not to usurp authority. 1 Corinthians 14:34, 35: " Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
The idea that Paul meant this only for the worship service but would have been happy with women teaching the church in other contexts has no basis in Scripture and is clearly in opposition to all he says on this matter. As regards the older women teaching the younger women, what is it, exactly, that the aged women are to teach the younger women? Titus 2:4: "That they [the aged women] may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children." Not doctrine, not theology, not holding Bible studies exegeting Scripture but how to be chaste women, good wives and mothers. This does not require women's bible studies lead by women reading sentimental claptrap spewed out by the publishing houses as an easy money maker. The idea that a church would allow women to go off on their own and start teaching each other doctrine is absurd and this has been amply illsutrated by the reality of women's bible studies and conferences.
As for teaching authority, Paul is quite clear: 1 Timothy 2:12: "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." Who is given authority to teach in the church? 1 Timothy 3:1: "If a man desire the office of a bishop..." It is men who are to rule and teach in the church.
Not to continue to 'derail the post', I believe this is an important facet that should be addressed.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7 And thou shalt teach (8150) them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Dt 6:5–7.
8150. שָׁנַן shanan (1041d); a prim. root; to whet, sharpen:—pierced(1), sharp(4), sharpen(2), sharpened(1), teach them diligently(1).
Robert L. Thomas, New American Standard Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries : Updated Edition (Anaheim: Foundation Publications, Inc., 1998).
It would seem as if scripture makes a subtle distinction between an official (T)eaching and the (t)eaching that parents and (for example), 'the older women'. *This becomes somewhat of a sticky whicket in most circles as it seems to be used in an illicit fashion, becomes a confusing term, melded together wrongly.
The above is as well a confused term; whether or not one see 'evangelization' as an active office (some do), the bible uses it is the context of an office. Hence, to use the term like it is used above, with its history in the scripture, is to use it erroneously, in my opinion. Better to clarify how one is using it and why so as to not cause more confusion on the confusing subject. Semantics?
that all Christians are commanded to be able to explain the hope they have withen them when asked/challenged.
I would place a formal Bible study- which by its nature touches upon elements of authority and teaching which I believe to be regulated by Scripture- in a separate category.
If my memory serves me correctly this isn't the first time you have come into a discussion late and demanded I repeat myself just for you, and I'm sure it won't be the last, but anyway here is my answer. Here I addressed the exact portion you quoted in your post.
Titus 2:4: "That they [the aged women] may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children." Not doctrine, not theology, not holding Bible studies exegeting Scripture but how to be chaste women, good wives and mothers.
The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.