Westminster Larger Catechism

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  1. Stephen L Smith

    Stephen L Smith Puritan Board Junior

    Hello. Do any PB members use the WLC extensively - either in church or for private devotion? I have been going through it in my private devotion and have been greatly edified because of its doctrinal clarification, and its piety.

    Yet unfortunately it seem less popular than the WSC.
     
  2. Joshua

    Joshua Administrator Staff Member

    I love the WLC. I've memorized much of it, but have had the memory work on pause for a while as other things have required my attention. Hope to get back to it before the year is up, though.
     
  3. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    It's defintely a neglected document. I think part of the problem I've seen is that people are actually not able to follow multi-part sentences very well anymore. Adults and teens struggle even with the WSC to read a sentence and figure out what it's saying. That said, the WLC is certainly indispensable in terms of adding some more nuggets in the Reformed confession.
     
  4. Joshua

    Joshua Administrator Staff Member

    Rich, would you break that up a little? I'm not following. :think:
     
  5. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    People.
    Can't.
    Follow.
    Long.
    Sentences.
     
  6. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    Seriously, am I the only one who has a really good vocabulary primarily because I read so much theology?

    I make my living by writing. It's the way I help my company capture work and articulate trategy and value prop.

    I was working on a proposal in November and was reviewing a section that had some content that was not needed so I selected the text and added a comment in the review document: "This content is superfluous."

    One of the proposal writers saw what I wrote and exclaimed to another: "Hey, Rich really like what we wrote here."

    The other responded: "I don't think he meant it as a compliment."
     
  7. Joshua

    Joshua Administrator Staff Member

    About 11 or 12 years ago, a paper was returned to me in a University English class saying that it was "verbose," and "stilted." :lol: (still got an A, though)
     
  8. Kinghezy

    Kinghezy Puritan Board Freshman

    No. Someone last week said that every day is the Sabbath. I actually found myself without thinking saying that the 10 commandments were not "abrograted". I wondered afterwards if anyone even understood me.

    I do see people seeming to misrepresent long quotes unintentionally, because they are not used to processing info in that form, and I always impressed how extensive the Westminster documents are when I get a chance to read them.
     
  9. Jake

    Jake Puritan Board Junior

    I´m a big fan. I use it often as a reference and also use it when teaching (sunday school) frequently. It is my favorite catechism.
     
  10. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    I have used the WLC in my private worship, and we have gone through portions of it in family worship. It's been beneficial for me and my wife. It has helped lead me out of the feeble Christianity of my youth.

    After my Bible, the Banner of Truth edition of the Westminster Standards is one of the two most treasured books I own. The other is the Scottish Psalter.
     
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  11. Stephen L Smith

    Stephen L Smith Puritan Board Junior

    A blessing to hear.
    Did you mean this edition recently put out by the Trust? https://banneroftruth.org/us/store/theology-books/westminster-confession/
    As a Scotsman I have to agree :) And the Scottish Psalter has a common heritage to the Westminster Standards.
     
  12. timfost

    timfost Puritan Board Junior

    That's really funny. The Sunday before last I was teaching on Colossians 2 and talking about the Sabbath. I normally try to use easier vocabulary or define the bigger words I want to use, but "abrogated" slipped out a number of times without a definition. Finally, a member raised her hand and asked for a definition.

    So the short answer is no, nobody understood your point. :rofl:
     
  13. Ryan&Amber2013

    Ryan&Amber2013 Puritan Board Junior

    The tough thing is that if people have a difficult time with multi-part sentences, then the Bible, especially the letters of Paul would be a serious struggle.
     
  14. C. Matthew McMahon

    C. Matthew McMahon Christian Preacher

    As it stands now, we are reading through the Canons of Dordt article by article, just before Wednesday night prayer meeting, as a means to be reminded of its contents. When that is completed, we will be going through the WLC. But yes, I'd agree, its a neglected document, (like the Directory of Public Worship, and the general tenor of the SL&C.)
     
  15. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

  16. ZackF

    ZackF Puritan Board Graduate

    In weekday family worship we read one question from the WSC but on Sundays we read three from the WLC instead. This way you can get through the WSC almost three times in a year and the WLC once. That's the best case scenario though we miss sometimes.
     
  17. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    That's good. I think I'll try that.
     
  18. bookslover

    bookslover Puritan Board Professor

    In Russia, the Westminster Larger Catechism memorizes you!
     
  19. Stephen L Smith

    Stephen L Smith Puritan Board Junior

    That sounds like a great idea. And yes, the WSC and the WLC, together, nicely reinforce the important Reformed truths.
     
  20. Stephen L Smith

    Stephen L Smith Puritan Board Junior

  21. ZackF

    ZackF Puritan Board Graduate

    I can't remember if you have little ones but our 7yo has been memorizing the 'Children's Catechism' for several years and sometimes she recognizes the connection to the WSC/WLC questions. That's a delight to see.
     
  22. Harley

    Harley Puritan Board Sophomore

    I use it and cherish it. The best part for me has been the section on the mediation of Christ. Wonderful work!

    And Vos' commentary is excellent.
     
  23. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    I'm getting started on the Children's Catechism, but only just. Our son will be three in a few months. I am looking forward to teaching him the catechisms, sharing with him a treasure I never knew as a child.
     
  24. Kinghezy

    Kinghezy Puritan Board Freshman

    And maybe our children can continue the tradition of biblical instruction with their kids, rather than having to do it start it.
     
  25. jwithnell

    jwithnell Moderator Staff Member

    The Larger Catechism is in the new Trinity Hymnal so perhaps that will give it greater exposure? I've definitely used the LC to get more depth on what the Westminster divine were teaching.

    I love the ideas mentioned earlier for incorporating the LC for family study. I've tied the confession to a year-long study when my kids are in high school. It works out to roughly 1 chapter per week.

    Regarding the "Vos" commentary. Note that it was written by the son Johannes. It's a great resource. I've wondered if he 100 percent squares with his father Geerhardus?
     
  26. kodos

    kodos Puritan Board Junior

    J.G Vos was an RPCNA minister. The Larger Catechism commentary comes from his articles in the Blue Banner.

    My son is memorizing an answer out of the WLC each week. Up to question 64 so far. We discuss his new question every Lord’s Day. At our church, our pastor puts one or more associated WLC questions and answers in the bulletin for our reflection and often references them in the sermon when appropriate.

    It is an extraordinary work. I’ve benefitted from going back to it often.
     
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  27. bookslover

    bookslover Puritan Board Professor

    Are you aware of Dr. W. Robert Godfrey's new book on the Canons of Dordt? He gives a fresh translation of the text and provides a commentary on it. I've just ordered my copy from Reformation Heritage Books for $12.
     
  28. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor

    I read the questions on the Lord's Supper on the first Sabbath of every month, because that is when we observe communion at church.

    You will also observe that it sounds very Reformed Baptist with respect to who is in the covenant of grace. ;)

    Less is more. The WSC is more popular than the WLC because it is shorter (I keep the S in WSC). Furthermore, it is often the catechism that many people memorized as children.
     
  29. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Professor

    Do you have that listing for how it discussed the CoG?
     
  30. Reformed Covenanter

    Reformed Covenanter Puritan Board Doctor

    Just read question 31.
     
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