heartoflesh
Puritan Board Junior
I have always held to the freedom of the believer to drink intoxicating beverages, as long as one didn't become drunk (although I guess that's rather subjective in itself). Lately I've come under great conviction that this is not a good idea for me. There are a number of reasons, rangiing from the impression I am giving my kids seeing dad with a beer in his hands, to the feeling of general unseparation from the world that alcohol gives me. As much as I try to rationalize this feeling away telling myself it is my liberty to drink alcohol, I am plagued by this feeling nonetheless.
I know that many if not the majority of the folks on this forum approve of alcohol usage as a freedom for the believer, but it doesn't matter to me what the majority thinks, nor does it matter to me that Calvin and Luther or anyone else drank, I really want to know biblically and historically how to handle the subject.
I just listened to a message by Greg Mazak from sermonaudio.com that I thought was very well balanced and instructive. SermonAudio.com - The Beverage Use Of Alcohol
Rather than typing out all the relevant points that he brings up, I just want to focus on the question of whether or not the wine of biblical times was indeed much weaker than today's wine (about 4%-7% aclhol content) and then after that was mixed with at least 3 parts water.
So in other words, there was nothing even remotely approaching the alcohol contents we have today, in fact, the pure unmixed wine was about as strong as today's beer, and then mixed with at least 3 parts water.
He pointed out some things I didn't know, or hadn't thought about before, such as his interpretation of Proverbs 31:23
Do not look on the wine when it is red, When it sparkles in the cup, When it goes down smoothly;
He states that the reason the wine in the cup is red is because it is unmixed. He also goes on to show how unmixed wine was used in a compassionate way to relieve the agony of death (something our Lord refused at the crucifixion) but never as a beverage (unless you were a barbarian).
What are your thoughts on this?
I know that many if not the majority of the folks on this forum approve of alcohol usage as a freedom for the believer, but it doesn't matter to me what the majority thinks, nor does it matter to me that Calvin and Luther or anyone else drank, I really want to know biblically and historically how to handle the subject.
I just listened to a message by Greg Mazak from sermonaudio.com that I thought was very well balanced and instructive. SermonAudio.com - The Beverage Use Of Alcohol
Rather than typing out all the relevant points that he brings up, I just want to focus on the question of whether or not the wine of biblical times was indeed much weaker than today's wine (about 4%-7% aclhol content) and then after that was mixed with at least 3 parts water.
So in other words, there was nothing even remotely approaching the alcohol contents we have today, in fact, the pure unmixed wine was about as strong as today's beer, and then mixed with at least 3 parts water.
He pointed out some things I didn't know, or hadn't thought about before, such as his interpretation of Proverbs 31:23
Do not look on the wine when it is red, When it sparkles in the cup, When it goes down smoothly;
He states that the reason the wine in the cup is red is because it is unmixed. He also goes on to show how unmixed wine was used in a compassionate way to relieve the agony of death (something our Lord refused at the crucifixion) but never as a beverage (unless you were a barbarian).
What are your thoughts on this?