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Ouch. From thousands of kilometres away in humble Terra Australis, I would agree. In the PCA Evolution is tolerated. Keller/Warfield are the canonical defenses...But why have the OPC and PCA?
Because we need someplace to go if the PCA continues on its present path.
It is indirect, mediated involvement, but it is REAL involvement.I'd rather say we still have the original Apostles.But we do not have Apostles any more. Christ rules by His Word, including the authoritative Apostolic words of the New Testament, by His Spirit and in His Providence.
They "...being dead, still speak," Heb.11:4.
They rule the church, under Christ, from heaven, Lk.22:28-30; Rev.4:4.
Good point.
I tend to forget about the Apostles' and saints' involvement from glory.
Involvement in the words that are recorded in scripture given to us in His word.
via the apostles to whom we will personally report someday.
I'm highlighting the widest scope of this whole idea, and deliberately minimizing the temporal and mortal impacts of this transitory age. Christ is alive, his apostles are alive, his Word given to us by the apostles is living and active.
The faith was delivered to the church through the instrumentality of the apostles.via the apostles to whom we will personally report someday.
Can you elaborate on this?
Mt.19:28, "...and you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
Those of us who have to give an account of our ministry (Heb.13:17) may first encounter one of these judges, on the way to see God to whom we must ultimately give account, Rom.14:12.
Mark
Member
Christ Presbyterian Church
OPC
Salt Lake City, UT
I would recommend a study of the history of presbyterianism. This will be very enlightening, and will help to answer the questions you ask.
Jesus is talking to the Twelve; we know they ruled the church on earth; it sounds to me like Christ here indicates they have eschatological responsibilities coming as well. Is it reasonable to think that Jesus means that everyone who follows him will judge (i.e. rule) over the church, over everybody else? If everyone is a chief, what happened to the indians?Mt.19:28, "...and you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
Is this figurative for the whole body of Christ, Jew and Gentile?
It isn't my purpose to affirm progressing through a hierarchy on the way to the final Judgment throne. Connecting my above words with my final clarifying sentence in the original post, I emphasized that "we report to those who are above us," that is in rank.Those of us who have to give an account of our ministry (Heb.13:17) may first encounter one of these judges, on the way to see God to whom we must ultimately give account, Rom.14:12.
Wow. Never thought of this.
Are there any indications in Scripture how this occurs- is it literal judging (accounting) by the apostles?
Any thoughts on whether this applies to elders only, broadly speaking? Does that mean any church officer (deacons), etc.?