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Discussion in 'Family Forum' started by irresistible_grace, Jan 26, 2011.
Micah you should lurk less.
When you do return to the board, know that I am grateful for your response.
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I couldn't agree more!
This sermon is well worth taking the time to listen to.
SermonAudio.com - The Crisis of Education CR1001
I see that 'ditto' and raise you four dittoes and call the hand that implies otherwise.
I hsed my daughter from 6th through 12th grade using a modified classical approach and curriculum I put together myself. Her senior year was the most expensive, about $1,700, but that included an on-line course through The Potter's School, voice lessons, and riding lessons in addition to regular curriculum. It WAS a lot of work, but well worth it.
Now she is a mom with four children and is in her second year of hsing her soon to be 6yo daughter with her 4yo son sitting in on a casual basis. She has been using My Father's World with truly impressive results and intends to use it again next year for her dd's 2nd grade year with a bit of tweaking in the language arts and science departments. My Father's World is very affordable, for the most part literature based, and hands on, which her children love.
I want to address your question of how much will it cost. Educating a child who is under age 10 doesn't need to cost very much at all. You will need to buy a good intensive phonics curriculum, which can cost $50-$100 (I wouldn't spend any more than that). Of course, there is plenty of curriculum which you COULD buy, but you don't need to. Use the library, use the internet, buy used books (there is a strong used homeschooling book market). Here is an article we wrote which might be helpful.
A little off-topic, but could you recommend a good phonics program, please?
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Name one. And don't use Evolution. Granted Evolution is a ridiculous requirement required by many states, however, either way a child must have some knowledge of the theory. Even a christian child will one day grow up and be faced with evolution in a secular university. And when that day arises if he or she has no knowledge of the subject he or she will be made to be the fool.
Sex ed for one. Worldly morals do not match God's standards.
Bill & David, please listen to Dr. Morecraft's sermon.
You're missing the point. When I said that the state oversteps its bounds, I was not limiting that statement to education. We live in a society in which the state has rejected God and set itself up as the supreme authority to which we citizens owe ultimate fealty in all areas of life.
The problem, again, with state education is not that it has poor standards (some are relatively good, some are bad, some are ridiculous, some are scary), but that it assumes that our children belong to the state more than to God or to their parents, and are to be educated in the way that best benefits the state rather than in the way that best glorifies God. I don't have to "name one," nor can I--every facet of education is faulty if Christ is not magnified in it.
Bill and David, you are missing the forest for the trees, arguing about minutiae of educational standards when the real problem is that the entire apparatus of state education is misdirected. Yes, our children should be well-educated. Yes, they need to be exposed to the theory of evolution and other faulty teachings of men so that they will be prepared to interact with and refute these as adults. Yes, there should even be meaningful standards, but to place the power to establish and enforce those standards into the hands of the state is to grant unto the state a role and a power which God did not give it. We believe that to subject our children to an educational environment in which Christ is not magnified to be an abdication of our God-given responsibilities as parents.
God owns our children, not us, and certainly not the state, and God demands that our children be taught His ways "when you lie down, and when you rise up;" that they be reared "in the nurture and admonition of the Lord." The state educational standards are flawed not because they are all bad, but because in them God is ignored, and the state becomes a usurper of His authority. I am thankful that we still live in a society where the state has not assumed the power to force us to sacrifice our children to Molech by sending them to public schools. God forbid that we should ever be robbed of this right.
You really should listen to it.
I agree with Tim. You should lurk less.
? But who watches the guardians? Do you have any idea how ironic that is coming from a public school teacher, especially given that in every single study ever done homeschoolers do better in reading, science and math? You've been given more money and resources than at any time in the history of mankind, and the US public school system is an international joke.
The bottom line is, "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge" (Prov. 1:7). Undertaking to teach a child knowledge that is not founded in and understood in light of the fear of the LORD, is building on sand and only produces fools. Time has proven it and will prove it again. Lord, have mercy on us.
Tim, these are important points, not to be discounted. And the result should be spectacular, but it is simply shameful. But the genesis of guardian's system is the real kicker. When the guardians openly profess to be atheists, we know for fact that the end game is self-seeking control of the issue of your loins. We are the appointed guardians, as we profess Christ, and we have been given authority by God to raise them as He has laid out. Diversion from that is indeed punishable by law, but the foundation remains inassailable. Nowhere in this covenant do I see any place for Rome to train my child's mind. It is not there, no matter how twisted the logic.
Recommending an intensive phonics curriculum (by intensive, I don't mean that it is difficult for the child, but that it is REAL phonics)
There are several to choose from:
Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons
Sing, Spell, Read, and Write
...plus many more. Some of these are expensive. If you're a millionaire, buy the expensive one, but the cheaper ones are just as good.
Don Potter's site is the best for phonics information.
Two-thumbs up for Alpha-Phonics. Used the same copy for all four kids. Wonderfully simple and elegant to use. I have my copy(held together with masking tape!) in our 'memory' chest. I hope to pass it on, or use it with a grand-child, someday.
I've been looking at phonics programs lately due to the fact that my eldest "couldn't" learn to read using the phonics programs I tried. I've since learned through a little bit of study that the best phonics porgrams are those like Teach your children to read in 100 Lessons or The Writing Road to Reading which teach phonics without pictures. If you have a very visual child, the pictures used in most phonics programs out there confuse them.
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By the way, those programs are very inexpensive.
A hearty, 'AMEN!' to the phonics programs without pictures. The pictures make it very tough for visual learners and really do nothing to help others. They were the first step in dumbing down curricula according to a professor I had back in the Dark Ages.
Another thumbs up for Alpha-phonics. I am the oldest and was the first to learn how to read. My parents made the mistake of teaching me to sight read, then realized their mistake, and used Alpha-phonics with me. I HATED having to sound out words, because I could already read the children's books we already had by sight. So, definitely start with phonics. Obviously, your kid is goign to do some sight-reading anyway, but learning how the words are built and how to sound them out is really necessary, I think.
Sounding out words is soooo important to language processing in the brain. If you want to combat potential learning disabilities early you would do well to use a good phonics program. Speech therapy is all about undoing the huge mistake in education of dropping phonics and moving to picture-based reading.
Jess, We've been using Explode the Code for phonics- my Kindergartener just finished book 1. We did Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons to start with, then around lesson 70 switched over to Bob Books (just because dd didn't like reading the long passages from the 100 lessons book). Then we've been doing the Explode the Code along with the Sonlight grade 1 readers. Its pretty cheap - about $6-8 a book (they're consumable workbooks) on Amazon and most homeschool supply places. They also have a beginner series for teacher letter sounds - Get Ready for the Code - but I haven't tried that. I liked the focus on letter sounds and blending that 100 lessons had. I'm just starting my 4 year old with 100 Lessons, too. I've run into a lot of people online who have used the 100 Lessons --> Bob Books ---> Explode the Code with easy readers progression. My 6 year old is reading at a second grade level now, so its working pretty well for us so far.
Another vote for "Teach Your Child To Read in 100 Easy Lessons." I've known a lot of people who have used this book with success. I only did the first few lessons with my oldest, but it was enough for him to get the concept of blending letter sounds together, which is something he hadn't understood prior to that. The only reason I didn't continue with the book is that he took off on his own at that point, so I guess you would say he is a partially self-taught reader. He is now six and will read pretty much anything.