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Kagan, Donald. Thucydides: The Reinvention of History.
Donald Kagan’s goal, whether stated or not, is to rescue Athenian democracy from Thucydides’ charge that after the death of Pericles, it was manipulated by successive demagogues. On a more positive note, we get a tour-de-force of the causes of the Peloponnesian War, the figures involved, and the disastrous (or happy, depending on your point of view) end.
What makes the Peloponnesian War so fascinating is that it seems easy to make parallels between Athenian democracy and American foreign policy today. We have the narrative of Sea Power vs. Land Power, democracy vs. strong man government. Kagan (or Thucydides) notes that this is one of the first wars in which money was a factor.
Kagan’s other goal is to rebut Thucydides’/Pericles’ argument that the war between Athen and Sparta (or America and China/Russia) was inevitable. I think the standard scholarly line at this point is that Kagan is correct, at least as the argument currently stands. Was war inevitable? If life in Athens and Sparta continued as is, then no. On the other hand, proponents of international democracy rarely consider Pericles’ warning: your empire has become a tyranny. You now have to keep it whether you like it or not.
Kagan’s method is to examine Thucydides’ word (logos) against the actual deed (ergon). To do this he consults Plutarch to see what Thucydides is leaving out.
My main contention is Kagan’s rebuttal of Thucydides’ claim that Athens wasn’t a true democracy. The most obvious point is the number of slaves and disenfranchised women. Kagan notes, however, that this was true of almost every society and form of government until a few centuries ago (and still true in the Middle East today). Fair enough. He then counters that numerous playwrights criticized Pericles, something he asserts would be impossible in a dictatorship. The implication is that means it is a true democracy. I disagree. Kagan has something in mind like “Free speech” customs. While they are often in a democracy (except for Lincoln’s and Wilson’s presidencies), they are not part of the definition of a democracy, and so can’t be relevant to the discussion.
More troubling, though, is that Kagan doesn’t address Athen’s dialogue with the Metilians. As Athens was taking them over (question: is empire consistent or inconsistent with democracy?), Athens says, “Freedom and hope is nice, but we are stronger than you are and there isn’t much you can do to stop us.”
Aside from this criticism, this is a fine work of analysis and historiography.
Donald Kagan’s goal, whether stated or not, is to rescue Athenian democracy from Thucydides’ charge that after the death of Pericles, it was manipulated by successive demagogues. On a more positive note, we get a tour-de-force of the causes of the Peloponnesian War, the figures involved, and the disastrous (or happy, depending on your point of view) end.
What makes the Peloponnesian War so fascinating is that it seems easy to make parallels between Athenian democracy and American foreign policy today. We have the narrative of Sea Power vs. Land Power, democracy vs. strong man government. Kagan (or Thucydides) notes that this is one of the first wars in which money was a factor.
Kagan’s other goal is to rebut Thucydides’/Pericles’ argument that the war between Athen and Sparta (or America and China/Russia) was inevitable. I think the standard scholarly line at this point is that Kagan is correct, at least as the argument currently stands. Was war inevitable? If life in Athens and Sparta continued as is, then no. On the other hand, proponents of international democracy rarely consider Pericles’ warning: your empire has become a tyranny. You now have to keep it whether you like it or not.
Kagan’s method is to examine Thucydides’ word (logos) against the actual deed (ergon). To do this he consults Plutarch to see what Thucydides is leaving out.
My main contention is Kagan’s rebuttal of Thucydides’ claim that Athens wasn’t a true democracy. The most obvious point is the number of slaves and disenfranchised women. Kagan notes, however, that this was true of almost every society and form of government until a few centuries ago (and still true in the Middle East today). Fair enough. He then counters that numerous playwrights criticized Pericles, something he asserts would be impossible in a dictatorship. The implication is that means it is a true democracy. I disagree. Kagan has something in mind like “Free speech” customs. While they are often in a democracy (except for Lincoln’s and Wilson’s presidencies), they are not part of the definition of a democracy, and so can’t be relevant to the discussion.
More troubling, though, is that Kagan doesn’t address Athen’s dialogue with the Metilians. As Athens was taking them over (question: is empire consistent or inconsistent with democracy?), Athens says, “Freedom and hope is nice, but we are stronger than you are and there isn’t much you can do to stop us.”
Aside from this criticism, this is a fine work of analysis and historiography.