Knoxienne
Puritan Board Graduate
To whomever equated women staying at home with not being allowed to own property, etc: that is just plain ignorance.
I agree. The Bible is clear that women can own property.
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To whomever equated women staying at home with not being allowed to own property, etc: that is just plain ignorance.
Talents should not be thrown out the window, I wholeheartedly agree. That being said, I have a friend who is an MIT grad (holds a doctorate in engineering) and she homeschools her children because there is no more valuable expression or avenue for her skills than in the home. Their legacy is their children. That being said, she does help her husband with the family business, but it is under his headship and still with children in tow.
As an addition to all this, I simply cannot conceive how a woman can leave her children in day care to work. That's me. I just don't see an upshot to it. My mom worked in the family business and we stayed with grandparents during the day when we were young. I look back on that time with them fondly. I think I would look back on things with resentment if I were in day care, and that seems to be the new norm. I don't see that as a cure-all to the issue, but it made the best of a less-than-ideal situation in my case.
BTW, , but glad to have another hot topic-type dialogue with you and Jessi. I think we're almost ready for a Crossfire or similiar type news show - but not so fast - not until I'm completely rehabilitated!
PB Crossfire - I like it! Except, I'm not sure any of us are actually nasty/caustic enough to be truly entertaining! At least I hope not!
How does one define the phrase that Paul uses? By Scripture alone.
PB Crossfire - I like it! Except, I'm not sure any of us are actually nasty/caustic enough to be truly entertaining! At least I hope not!
I hope not too!
PB Crossfire - I like it! Except, I'm not sure any of us are actually nasty/caustic enough to be truly entertaining! At least I hope not!
I hope not too!
Well, if we all agreed to be, and no hard feelings, I would be able to be truly entertaining for the masses.
I would only take it personally for the half hour we were on the show. Afterward, I'd be able to go out for a beer with you both!
But I have a very quick temper, and forgiving often comes easy (or forgetting), but if the person I'm arguing with doesn't and is sensitive, I would be able to restrain myself♥
She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
(Pro 31:16)
She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
(Pro 31:17)
She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.
(Pro 31:18)
She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
(Pro 31:19)
She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
(Pro 31:20)
She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
(Pro 31:21)
She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.
(Pro 31:22)
Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
(Pro 31:23)
She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
(Pro 31:24)
Sounds like a working woman to me.
PB Crossfire - I like it! Except, I'm not sure any of us are actually nasty/caustic enough to be truly entertaining! At least I hope not!
I hope not too!
Well, if we all agreed to be, and no hard feelings, I would be able to be truly entertaining for the masses.
I would only take it personally for the half hour we were on the show. Afterward, I'd be able to go out for a beer with you both!
But I have a very quick temper, and forgiving often comes easy (or forgetting), but if the person I'm arguing with doesn't and is sensitive, I would be able to restrain myself♥
Just sayin'. That a married woman would be under the authority of a man in the realm of employment doesn't mean that she's no longer under the authority of her husband. This is like saying that a man shouldn't ever be under the authority of another man, because God has ordained that the head of man is Christ. Kind of silly.
Or that the church can't submit to Caesar, because Christ is her head.
Yet Christ, as our head, has commanded us to submit to Caesar.
But there are many cases when it would be imprudent for a man to ask his wife to work outside the home. When he does, however, he's still her head: he's exercising his headship by allowing her to be directed by someone else. As long as the husband retains the ultimate authority to decide whether she continues in the job or not, his headship hasn't been supplanted.
I apologise for stomping off. I was getting hurt and angry, not things I like to be, so I had to go and chill for a bit. I care a lot about the people here. I also care a lot about my family. My family comes first in every way.
Grace, peace, and my last say on it
I apologise for stomping off. I was getting hurt and angry, not things I like to be, so I had to go and chill for a bit. I care a lot about the people here. I also care a lot about my family. My family comes first in every way.
Grace, peace, and my last say on it
I know you love your family.
Sigh. It's threads like this that make me glad we've got the tea parlor and can just discuss girl stuff, have a fun chat and pray for one another.
One thing my wife always comments on this sort of thing: "I want my children and my husband to get my best, I don't want my best to be done at work, and then my family gets what's left."
That's the 9,845,346,231st reason I love her.
One thing my wife always comments on this sort of thing: "I want my children and my husband to get my best, I don't want my best to be done at work, and then my family gets what's left."
That's the 9,845,346,231st reason I love her.
One thing my wife always comments on this sort of thing: "I want my children and my husband to get my best, I don't want my best to be done at work, and then my family gets what's left."
That's the 9,845,346,231st reason I love her.
oh wait, wrong forum...where'd politics and gov't go again?
But the question is, I think, is it WRONG for a woman to work outside of the home.
But the question is, I think, is it WRONG for a woman to work outside of the home.
No, no. The OP was "what are your thoughts on a woman working BEFORE she has children". Then things got a little sidetracked...
I don't think anyone is recommending starvation as opposed to one's wife working outside the home (so maybe not at ALL costs). But let's remember that God has ordained that a woman's head be her husband; taking a job outside the home will put her under the authority of another man at some point...
She can tell me what to do concerning the work place but that never interferes with my home life.
How many times does this happen? And how many times do you guys stay really really late at work or work a second job? How many of you guys put your work life ahead of your home life? And how does that work with being head of the household when you are barely home?Take it as you will. I put it as a can of worms because it seemed intriguing to me - I've seen the same thing in other threads, but haven't looked to see how it was responded to.
I guess I just can't relate to those who advocate this as a norm. I have previously stated that I am not telling anyone to starve and keep their wife at home. If others wish to take it that way, so be it, I can't help that. I can't understand why we seek loopholes when God has given this marvelous gift to women to be keepers of the home. I just don't get it.
She can tell me what to do concerning the work place but that never interferes with my home life.
This is not a true statement. She sure can. "Work overtime tonight or you're fired." It just so happens to be your son's birthday. Fired (lack of income) or work (absence at birthday). Either way, it has interfered with your home life, don't kid yourself. And that's only the tip of the iceberg.
How many of you guys put your work life ahead of your home life?
How many times does this happen?
I can't understand why we seek loopholes when God has given this marvelous gift to women to be keepers of the home. I just don't get it.
[/quote]She can tell me what to do concerning the work place but that never interferes with my home life.
This is not a true statement. She sure can. "Work overtime tonight or you're fired." It just so happens to be your son's birthday. Fired (lack of income) or work (absence at birthday). Either way, it has interfered with your home life, don't kid yourself. And that's only the tip of the iceberg.
I don't think anyone is recommending starvation as opposed to one's wife working outside the home (so maybe not at ALL costs). But let's remember that God has ordained that a woman's head be her husband; taking a job outside the home will put her under the authority of another man at some point...
Two things . . .
1) Why assume that she'd be under authority of a man? Would it then be okay if her boss was another woman?
2) If you're going to use this as a reason to prohibit it, you'd also have to prohibit women and girls from (among other things) . . .
- school (unless all of their teachers are women)
- church
Just sayin'. That a married woman would be under the authority of a man in the realm of employment doesn't mean that she's no longer under the authority of her husband. This is like saying that a man ever be under the authority of another man, because God has ordained that the head of man is Christ. Kind of silly.
Wow!! I've never heard the logic of this played out and sort of blindly accepted this school of thought. Thanks for bringing it to its real logical conclusion! Very good points!
Take it as you will. I put it as a can of worms because it seemed intriguing to me - I've seen the same thing in other threads, but haven't looked to see how it was responded to.
I guess I just can't relate to those who advocate this as a norm. I have previously stated that I am not telling anyone to starve and keep their wife at home. If others wish to take it that way, so be it, I can't help that. I can't understand why we seek loopholes when God has given this marvelous gift to women to be keepers of the home. I just don't get it.
She can tell me what to do concerning the work place but that never interferes with my home life.
This is not a true statement. She sure can. "Work overtime tonight or you're fired." It just so happens to be your son's birthday. Fired (lack of income) or work (absence at birthday). Either way, it has interfered with your home life, don't kid yourself. And that's only the tip of the iceberg.