The 6th Day according to Schwarzeneger, Clone ethics?

Discussion in 'Natural Revelation and God's Creation' started by Puritan Sailor, Aug 5, 2004.

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  1. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Moderator

    I just got done watching this movie and it got me thinking. How would we reformed folk respond to a human clone? I'm not talking about the morality of human cloning here as I think we will all agree that we shouldn't be messing with that stuff. But say, someone does in fact clone a human and this clone actually survives into adulthood. How should we as reformed Christians treat him? Say he walks into church one day and you happen to meet him. I do have my own opinion on this but I thought I would throw this out there for discussion before I give it.
     
  2. Scot

    Scot Puritan Board Sophomore

    Patrick,

    I know this isn't where you want to stear the topic but I have to ask, how could they possibly clone a human? They're successful with animals because they don't have a soul. In order for a human to have life, God must create a soul. How are these people going to clone a soul? Any thoughts on this? :think:
     
  3. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Moderator

    What does a soul have to do with cloning? We're talking DNA here. Identical twins have the same DNA yet they have individual souls. So I don't think, if they ever do clone a human that he won't have a soul. But again, I suppose we won't know until it happens. But as sound reformed Christians I think it would be helpful to have some of the ethics figured out before something like this happens so that we are not just reactionary like most of the evangelical world today. So lets assume for the sake of argument that this clone has a soul.
     
  4. Scot

    Scot Puritan Board Sophomore

    [/quote]We're talking DNA here. Identical twins have the same DNA yet they have individual souls.
     
  5. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Moderator

    I see your concern. I guess I don't consider it a major objection because of the twin DNA concept and also because God has no problem creating souls in test tube babies. So I don't think it would be an obstacle to God to create a soul for a clone. But again for the sake of argument we'll assume the clone has a soul.
     
  6. Authorised

    Authorised Puritan Board Freshman

    I think the soul is made upon fertilization; physical life as well as spiritual life is created. God told US to be fruitful and multiply, creating Adam and Eve with pure, righteous souls but they fell into sin.

    God does NOT create the soul, because the soul is born sinful, and God is not the author of evil.

    but that's just my :wr50:
     
  7. fredtgreco

    fredtgreco Vanilla Westminsterian Staff Member

    The soul is not sinful because of creation, but because of imputation of Adam's sin (Romans 5:12-21).

    God can indeed create the soul
     
  8. Authorised

    Authorised Puritan Board Freshman

    I think this topic was discussed at the Council of Orange and they concluded that the idea of God making the soul at birth was heresy, because it makes God the author of sin.

    I didn't mean to say that God never created souls, because he did in both Adam and Eve. Apart from that, the soul is conceived when the sperm fertilizes the egg, completing the DNA ladder.

    Here are our options:

    1. God creates a perfectly righteous soul, plants it in the body and that soul later becomes corrupted (Pelagianism)
    2. God creates a sinful soul and plants it in the body (Hyper Calvinist, if not worse)
    3. Souls pre-exist (Mormonism, JW teaching, Plato and co.)
    4. Souls are created, albeit sinful, upon conception (Transducianism)
     
  9. Puritan Sailor

    Puritan Sailor Moderator

    [quote:f2f05f221c="Authorised"]I think this topic was discussed at the Council of Orange and they concluded that the idea of God making the soul at birth was heresy, because it makes God the author of sin.

    I didn't mean to say that God never created souls, because he did in both Adam and Eve. Apart from that, the soul is conceived when the sperm fertilizes the egg, completing the DNA ladder.

    Here are our options:

    1. God creates a perfectly righteous soul, plants it in the body and that soul later becomes corrupted (Pelagianism)
    2. God creates a sinful soul and plants it in the body (Hyper Calvinist, if not worse)
    3. Souls pre-exist (Mormonism, JW teaching, Plato and co.)
    4. Souls are created, albeit sinful, upon conception (Transducianism)[/quote:f2f05f221c]
    Apparently this wasn't as easy as I thought it would be. I know this is difficult to discuss without going through the theory but let's ignore that for a second. Because if someone actually does clone a human, then all this specualtion regarding the soul will be thrown out the window. And we will be back to the drawing board. So, then, back to the subject at hand, how do we treat this clone?
     
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