Is street preaching something found more in the smaller stricter Presbyterian/Reformed churches or do mid to large churches do this as well? I've been seeing a trend in smaller churches such as the FCC and RPCNA.
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There used to be a Black guy that would regularly hold forth at a major bus transfer point in Downtown Dallas. There are a few urban parks that would be good candidates - adjacent to Klyde Warren would be one, Main Street Plaza or Pacific Garden, perhaps. And, of course, the infamous Grassy Knoll area.our cities and towns are not really set up well for it,
I am OK with it as long as a real preacher does it.
One issue is how "minister" is defined in this context. If it means something like "must be licensed by the presbytery to preach," then I would disagree. Reputation, ability and temperament are all valid qualities to look for. And I would agree there are too many zealous but unnecessarily raucous street preachers out there. But I have witnessed "non-ordained" street preachers from a church I belonged to who were winsome and faithful proclaimers of the gospel, bearing the good fruit of increasing the kingdom of God on earth. Some were seminary students, others small group leaders, Sunday school teachers, or the like. So I think we need to be careful not to impose extra-scriptural restrictions on whose outreach efforts we might approve of or support.[...as long as a real preacher does it] Yes. this has been the problem with many street "preachers". Most these days are not ministers of the gospel
One issue is how "minister" is defined in this context. If it means something like "must be licensed by the presbytery to preach," then I would disagree. Reputation, ability and temperament are all valid qualities to look for. And I would agree there are too many zealous but unnecessarily raucous street preachers out there. But I have witnessed "non-ordained" street preachers from a church I belonged to who were winsome and faithful proclaimers of the gospel, bearing the good fruit of increasing the kingdom of God on earth. Some were seminary students, others small group leaders, Sunday school teachers, or the like. So I think we need to be careful not to impose extra-scriptural restrictions on whose outreach efforts we might approve of or support.
My thought would be, what are God’s promises attached to, as far as preaching? The promises and commands seem to be attached to being sent, so the issues surrounding being biblically sent seem to have to do with commissioning, laying on of hands, licensing and ordination by the church. I mean yes, all kinds of talented and winsome men can get out and do it- but what does God prescribe?One issue is how "minister" is defined in this context. If it means something like "must be licensed by the presbytery to preach," then I would disagree. Reputation, ability and temperament are all valid qualities to look for. And I would agree there are too many zealous but unnecessarily raucous street preachers out there. But I have witnessed "non-ordained" street preachers from a church I belonged to who were winsome and faithful proclaimers of the gospel, bearing the good fruit of increasing the kingdom of God on earth. Some were seminary students, others small group leaders, Sunday school teachers, or the like. So I think we need to be careful not to impose extra-scriptural restrictions on whose outreach efforts we might approve of or support.
Of course these things also have different definition within different churches - based on a reliance on, yet differing understandings of scripture. The activities of the street preachers I was referring to were sanctioned by the elders of the church, but they weren't "licensed" in a strict sense. Unless one is going to take the tack that "my church has the only possible proper definition of these things and all others are in condemnable error" then I do think one should be cautious in what is "automatically" disapproved of.licensing and ordination by the church
Of course these things also have different definition within different churches - based on a reliance on, yet differing understandings of scripture. The street preachers I was referring to were sanctioned by the elders of the church, but weren't "licensed" in a strict sense. Unless one is going to take the tack that "my church has the only possible proper definition of these things and all others are in condemnable error" then I do think one should be cautious in what they "automatically" disapprove of.
I agree with this, brother. I am curious, however, of your thoughts regarding ruling elders street preaching. I have one brother, a ruling elder of a sister church, who goes out every Saturday to do ministry at the local abortion mill. What would your thoughts be about that?Yes. This has been the problem with many street "preachers". Most these days are not ministers of the gospel. Too often they are men who are brawlers wanting to pick a fight rather than preach Christ crucified for sinners and to lift up the name of Jesus Christ as the Savior of the world through a gospel trumpet that all men might come to Him.
I did preach on this topic before our congregation began to engage in it. I also wrote a blog post concerning this.
Blog post: https://christcodeandkids.com/2021/05/19/open-air-preaching/
Sermon: https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=592122345485
It would be good to have a resurgence of a public witness for Jesus Christ through the means of true gospel preaching by true gospel ministers - that revival would come as the Lord grants faith by hearing the Word of God preached.
And please do check out the videos from Pastor McCurley above. It was very helpful for me when I first began the work of preaching in the open.
Would you make any distinction between "preaching" and "publicly witnessing"?So, whatever the means of licensure towards preaching in a denomination should be applied to all who preach inside or outside of church buildings in consistency. Otherwise, we have simply created two classes of preachers and two classes of preaching, and that I cannot see as being defensible by the doctrines of the Word.
I agree with this, brother. I am curious, however, of your thoughts regarding ruling elders street preaching. I have one brother, a ruling elder of a sister church, who goes out every Saturday to do ministry at the local abortion mill. What would your thoughts be about that?
Would you make any distinction between "preaching" and "publicly witnessing"?
Honest question: If a lay-person finds themselves in a public situation opportune to an exhortation to repent and presenting the Gospel, should they?When I preach, many congregants come along. They man the signs with Scripture, the prayer table, they hand out tracts, even our children do! They ask passers-by whether they know the gospel and the Lord and their sinfulness and seek to engage with them. But as far as preaching the Word and exhorting all who hear to come and receive the Lord Jesus. To preach repentance and faith, that is reserved for me, the minister.
Good question. In my example the pastors did participate in these efforts, though not each and every time or within a strictly defined hierarchy of roles.My question always is - just like we often ask the mainline denominations - "where are your men?", when we see women take up the pulpit. I would ask congregations whose ministers are not present with them in witnessing, "where are your ministers?" What is he up to?
This demonstrates there are differences even within presbyterianism on such matters. I find it difficult to then criticize when a plurality of elders within a Baptist church have laid hands upon and prayed over those engaging in street ministry as not sufficiently meeting what scripture mandates.If you hold to a two-office view, then, this is not a problem. If you hold to a three (or four) office view, this is problematic as ruling elders are church governors and are not given the office of preaching.
If preaching is no different than public witnessing, then any woman or child can get up in the pulpit of a church and preach.Would you make any distinction between "preaching" and "publicly witnessing"?
Honest question: If a lay-person finds themselves in a public situation opportune to an exhortation to repent and presenting the Gospel, should they?
Good question. In my example the pastors did participate in these efforts, though not each and every time or within a strictly defined hierarchy of roles.
This demonstrates there are differences even within presbyterianism on such matters. I find it difficult to then criticize when a plurality of elders within a Baptist church have laid hands upon and prayed over those engaging in street ministry as not sufficiently meeting what scripture mandates.
I'm truly wanting to understand this: am I then correct in thinking your basic answer to my first question would generally be "no"?I think I can sum up what I am saying like this: apply your doctrine of preaching consistently both inside and outside of the church building.
I'm truly wanting to understand this: am I correct in thinking your basic answer to my first question would generally be "no"?
Indeed. We may not quite see eye-to-eye here, brother. Yet believing we both are genuinely trying to be true to scripture I'm content to settle on the principle expressed in Romans 14:4, 7-8. Pax.Good discussion.