Bert I think you meant to attribute that quote to my friend Bill.
Bert I think you meant to attribute that quote to my friend Bill.
Bob, I would be very careful, if I were you, not to tilt the plank the other way, and slide into the abyss of antinomianism and lawlessness. There is a fine balance here. Yes, we have Christian liberty, but let us not use this liberty for an occasion for the flesh.
Everything is lawful for me, but everything does not edify.
Quit asking "What is wrong with it"
Start asking "What is right with it"
And perhaps: "Can I, in good conscience, ask the Lord's blessing over this?"
Bert, I am being careful. If I could sum up my response to Kevin, it would be thus: "How can you judge another with sweeping generalizations?" I am not seeking to justify wrong behaviors or count myself righteous by works. This is not about seeing the movie "300" or going to church every moment the doors are open. If you share Kevin's opinions, then by all means abstain from movies, television or buying CD's. But don't create a filter that all believers must pass through in order to be righteous and god-fearing in your eyes.
If I go to a strip joint just to learn new dance moves and have a beer and can say that I am not brought to adulterous thoughts by my presence there, does that mean that no brother should have the audacity to speak to me of the wickedness I am participating in?
Find the benefit to a Christian in these verses:
I feel drawn towards the evil chanting hordes
They seem to mesmerise me ... can't avoid their eyes
666 the number of the beast
666 the one for you and me
I'm coming back I will return
And I'll possess your body and I'll make you burn
I have the fire I have the force
I have the power to make my evil take it's course
We do not specifically sin in listening to it; we are not involved in worship of Satan, we are merely a spectator, listening to a song about an experience that involved a third party. Is there then no sin in partaking thereof? I'm sorry; hand me the funny hat, get me started on Latin lessons, and get me a good German beer - I will accept the title of Pope if that is what my comments were in this instance.
don't create a filter that all believers must pass through in order to be righteous and god-fearing in your eyes.
If you were God's children, you would loathe the very thought of the world's evil joys, and your question would not be, 'How far may we be like the world?' but your one cry would be, 'How far can we get away from the world? How much can we come out from it?' Your temptation would be rather to become sternly severe, and ultra-Puritanical in your separation from sin, in such a time as this, than to ask, 'How can I make myself like other men, and act as they do?"'
...in good conscience before the Lord
So you have explained that you used to go to hockey games, but now you have "grown".... How do you know that you have grown?
Because you have marked off another activity that the world engages in off your list? Is this your proof of your spiritual growth? How do you know that you are growing and not merely becoming a pharisee.
I ask this seriously. I here so many Christians speak of "worldly things" and then this category changes based on personal preferences.
I am sure some of you on this thread have contributed to those Puritan pub threads about fine wines or cigars...you worldlings! Some of you will smoke cigars and then call someone an immature Christian because he likes a TV show.
Gotta go....wanna watch some Dora the Explorer with my boy...
There it is. Can we do what we do in good conscience before the Lord? I guess that's for each of us to address privately.
That is my point. Why is this so difficult to understand?
If your posts are simply to encourage believers to live godly in this present age, then you will have no argument with me. If you want to publicly announce that you don't go the movies, buy CD's, or go to sporting events (just examples) then I hear you and applaud your abstinence for the purpose of godliness. But what does that have to do with anyone else? Each individual must act in accordance with the word of God. When the bible is not clear on a matter their conscience should bind them.
Brother, you are forcing me to a conclusion after a conclusion. If I did what you state above, I would be a self righteous idiot. Hope the Lord spares me from behavior such as that!
We do our good works not to earn by them, or to show any righteousness in ourselves. We do them out of thankfulness.
Adam, would love to comment on your post but am far too distracted by your new avatar. That is about the most whacked-out one I've seen yet. How did you get an M&M to look like you?
BTW, don't worry about being labeled a legalist. You get to be Pope. It's fun! People come and kiss your ring, millions of people treat you like a rock star, but the love life is pretty minimal...
8Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:
9Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.
10For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:
11Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.
12For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.
13And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?
14But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
15But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
16Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
17For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
I think the question I'm asking isn't about whether people are trying for brownie points. It's more about how we go about living holy lives. I don't think it's by beating ourselves up, or making lists of things to give up, I think it's by going back to the Gospel until we are delighted with God, and then, who knows? We might want to skip that episode of As the Stomach Churns and read the Bible and a commentary instead, and it might at last be what we really want. At least some of the time.