SBC Exodus Mandate

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  1. The Deeps

    The Deeps Puritan Board Freshman

    Thats where i come from and i will never forget where i come from.
    As for that sewer my heart is more filthy.:um:

    Who will deliver your children from the sewer of iniquity in our own parental hearts... prone to mistakes?

    I don't even know Voddie. I am not attacking him.
    I have been around the fundamentalist block a couple times and i didn't fit the mold.
     
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  2. the particular baptist

    the particular baptist Puritan Board Freshman

    Im not Arminian, not even close, and incredible pious arrogance is a pretty broad brush on home-schoolers motives.
     
  3. KMK

    KMK Administrator Staff Member

    I know it is easier to do so, but we must be careful not to use a broad brush when condemning public schools. Not all school boards are the same. I have worked in 3 different school districts and they are very different. There seems to be some hasty generalization going on.

    Also, it seems that some try to make this a moral issue. I know an Atheist homeschool mom who says she does so to keep her kids away from all the Christians in public schools!

    That being said, I homeschool my children.
     
  4. The Deeps

    The Deeps Puritan Board Freshman

    I am homeschooling my children.;)
     
  5. JohnGill

    JohnGill Puritan Board Senior

    Just thought the sentence order was funny.

    :lol:
     
  6. KMK

    KMK Administrator Staff Member

    You're right! :eek: That doesn't sound at all like what I meant.

    In the words of Roseanne Roseannadanna, "Never mind."
     
  7. The Deeps

    The Deeps Puritan Board Freshman

    I also want to make it clear I am not calling Voddie an Armenian.
    Just prone to error... Like a true Calvinist. :cheers2:
     
  8. JohnGill

    JohnGill Puritan Board Senior

    If I wasn't thanked out already today, I'd thank you for that. Intentional or not, you made me laugh out loud for a good minute.
     
  9. The Deeps

    The Deeps Puritan Board Freshman

    :rofl:
     
  10. JohnGill

    JohnGill Puritan Board Senior

    What are you implying? :p

     
  11. The Deeps

    The Deeps Puritan Board Freshman

    Wow i don't think that's what i wanted to say!:oops::lol:

    ARMINIAN :eek:

    What cann i say i'm a Calvanast?
     
  12. JohnGill

    JohnGill Puritan Board Senior

    You're buying me a bigger ipod!

    Thank you for that.
     
  13. Brian Withnell

    Brian Withnell Puritan Board Junior

    Being a public school teacher, I personally would not mind if every family decided to home school their children and put me out of work. While I knew a public school teacher that did not do it for love of children, I know the vast majority do it for the children. Math teachers (I am one) could easily go elsewhere and make more, so the only reason I can see for teaching is love of kids.

    I personally believe home schooling would be better for nearly anyone than public schooling. There may be exceptions, but that is what it would be, exceptional cases.
     
  14. Brian Withnell

    Brian Withnell Puritan Board Junior

    If the taxes that presently go toward public schools were left to the parents that put their children in private schools, the problem of money for private schools would near completely go away. (I know my property taxes are well more than 1/20th of my pay as a public school teacher -- if I taught 20 students in a class, and I received a good portion of the money saved if parents didn't have to pay property tax, it would be a wash.)
     
  15. Ask Mr. Religion

    Ask Mr. Religion Flatly Unflappable

    When my family and I moved from Chicago to Phoenix, we enrolled our son in the local elementary school. It was not long before we were getting calls that he was being held after school for reasons like forgetting to bring pencils to school, or forgetting his class notebook. The little guy would meet us after detention teary eyed.

    My wife and I were both university professors at the time, so we pulled my son out of public school and started teaching him at home when we were not working during the day.

    Initially, it was tough separating Mom and Dad's roles when teaching our son. Sometimes we would become very frustrated with him. Losing our patience was a problem we finally overcame. We taught him three hours each day and he spent another two or three hours working on his own. We home-schooled our son from grades four through twelve.

    For elementary school material we reviewed traditional school materials and selected what we thought were useful texts. It was an ad-hoc approach and we focused each day's instructions on a single subject. I spent time teaching my son some of the great messages and stories from the bible. I had him complete some biblical text studies and write papers on the materials.

    For high school we used the materials and curriculum from The American School. We selected this school because of its reputation (used by State Dept. employees, movies star kids, etc.), for the school's ability to generate official transcripts, graded tests, actual science labs, 100 year history, and its regional accreditation. Lastly, I walked my son through the Dictionary of Cultural Literacy.

    In December last year he graduated from ASU with a degree in Computer Information Systems and a 3.2 GPA. He recently completed a six-month internship at Intel Corporation and is now looking for a full-time position with one of the government security agencies.

    The upsides of home schooling were enormously beneficial. My son completed High School in two years and had no problems being accepted at ASU.

    The negatives were mainly socially related. My son missed the social interaction, proms, and dating. We pushed him into some social activities like volunteering in some of the local schools' community outreach programs. Nevertheless, my son was quite isolated throughout his education. ASU was an eye opener for him, he struggled to fit into a daily cadence of attending real classes with lots of other students. After his freshman year, he blossomed and came into his own. Mom and Dad still worry about this young man who has never went on a date or even so much as held a girl's hand. Dad can only hope that he won't marry the first young lady that pays any sort of attention to him! :um:
     
  16. calgal

    calgal Puritan Board Graduate

    Why make this a mandate? Are the churches then going to waste time and energy prosecuting the families who refuse to homeschool? :oops:
     
  17. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor

    Many of those *in need* do not, and cannot afford to, own property. They don't pay property taxes. They literally have a paycheck that comes in (if they are that fortunate) and that same paycheck goes out to pay as many bills as possible and put food in the fridge. There is rarely, if ever, anything left over.
     
  18. Hamalas

    Hamalas whippersnapper

    Actually, vouchers save the taxpayers money. :2cents:
     
  19. he beholds

    he beholds Puritan Board Doctor

    Good thread!

    My husband teaches at a public school. We had hoped to both teach in Xian schools for a few years, but we got pregnant a lot sooner than we expected, so I quit teaching just as my husband completed his Masters and was about to start teaching. When I taught at the Xian school, I made $16,000/year and had no health benefits. I think this would be impossible for the head of household. My husband was sad to realize that he would not be able to teach at a Xian school. He never went to a public school (not from kindergarten through his master's) and did not want to spend 30 years teaching in one. However, he does now enjoy his job and has found a place for Xian teachers in the PS. I think his preference is still to teach or principal a Xian school or teach at a Xian college, but for now he is content. He has found that there are Xian students and he teaches the Puritans and expresses his worldview.

    However, we hope to homeschool our children.


    I think it depends on your situation, maybe. One of my best friends was homeschooled, and of the five kids, none is shy or introverted. Plus, they know how to speak to adults and kids of all ages, b/c they aren't being trained by other six year olds.

    As a mom who is qualified to teach at a Xian school, I still would choose to just teach my kids at home. But if for some reason homeschooling won't work out, that's what I'd have to do, teach at my kids' school.
    I think there has to be another way to pay teachers living wages. Even my single friends that I taught with were still unable to live on their own with our salary at the Xian school. I would have literally made more than double what I made if I chose to teach in a PS.
    Instead of doing capital campaigns to build new gymnasiums, perhaps the schools can focus on raising more money for the educators, since that is why the kids are there.

    Great point! I have heard a sermon that expounded on the great commission and actually said that the first and foremost place for discipleship is at home. We are to be discipling our children! The best way to do this is spending a lot of time with them and teaching them what you want them to learn as a part of that discipleship, and the best way to do that is homeschool them--although I don't think it is the ONLY way.
     
  20. The Deeps

    The Deeps Puritan Board Freshman

    Again... I home school my children. :deadhorse:

    My Son just turned 4 and he is reading books. My daughter is 2 and she can spell her name. :banana:

    But my reasons for homeschooling are not one of protection but education. I have seen enough homeschooling parents looking toward homeschooling as if it in and of itself is the deliverer. Please understand I am just bringing up a call to modesty.

    Don't forget Our children are dirty. We as Parents are dirty. How can we protect the world from deprave, sheltered home school kids who's parents are preparing them for heaven and not earth? Are we only here on earth to prepare for heaven?

    We need a balance in perspective here... i am just trying to avoid become Essenes. I have seen a-lot of extreme reactions in fundamental circles.
     
  21. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor

    When some of us have suffered abuse within the school system (more than one in my case, as I have lived many places), "balance" is the last thing we feel towards it...and don't expect otherwise.
     
  22. The Deeps

    The Deeps Puritan Board Freshman

    Watch out for itching ears... feelings have a tendency to make our ears itch.
     
  23. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor

    No, it's not a "feeling", it's a fact. And my job as a parent is to #1 protect MY children and #2 make certain they have a Christian education.

    You also show ignorance of parents that homeschool for varying reasons. Even those that do so to "protect" their children, do not hide them away from the world or neglect teaching them how to deal with the world. If my child is in someone else's care the majority of their week, I have little to no control over what happens to them, it's a simple fact.


    (ps, please check your signature ;) you're a few lines too long)
     
  24. SLutherG

    SLutherG Puritan Board Freshman

    Overreaching

    With all respect brothers, I have a child in public schools and one who will be next year and I teach special education in the public school system. I have taught them the 1st 50 questions of the Childrens Catechism, they have learned the Ten Commandments and have memorized the Apostles Creed. I am very proud of my children.

    I am not brain washing students. My daughter does not dress like a hooker and frankly it is very judgemental to imply that God fearing parents can't raise God fearing children while they public school. While education is very important it is NOT the be all end all of child rearing. Are there things I have to unteach them? Of course, but that would be the case if they went to a private school as well.

    I find this kid of discussion upsetting. I would encourage the best of you to dig for scripture that supports an all homeschool or private school position.
     
  25. Knoxienne

    Knoxienne Puritan Board Graduate

    "No, it's not a "feeling", it's a fact. And my job as a parent is to #1 protect MY children and #2 make certain they have a Christian education...even those that do so to "protect" their children, do not hide them away from the world or neglect teaching them how to deal with the world. If my child is in someone else's care the majority of their week, I have little to no control over what happens to them, it's a simple fact."

    :agree:
     
  26. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor

    Do as you will. I understand when a family honestly has no other option...that is a failure of the church and my heart breaks for those people. May Gd's Grace sustain them. Others just simply want to do as they will. That's on them.

    Does homeschooling produce "perfect" children? No, absolutely no! However, there is no moral benefit to having our children, during their most formative years, handed over to secular society and a humanist government that both have fallen over into an anti-Christian agenda. Scriptural principle? Sure. My husband and I are the parents. WE are responsible for OUR children's education and welfare. NOT the government. We should make certain that that education is as Gd honouring as possible. I've yet to find anything Gd honouring in the government education system.

    As for the SBC "Mandating" the withdrawal from the government school system: fine and dandy, but they also need to make certain that EVERY SINGLE ONE of their members are able to transfer to alternate education or help provide the means.
     
  27. refbaptdude

    refbaptdude Puritan Board Freshman

    Samuel,

    I also find such talk very disturbing.
     
  28. LadyFlynt

    LadyFlynt Puritan Board Doctor

    The fact that there are more reasons than just, "a better education" (also a major reason I home educate) should not upset anyone.
     
  29. he beholds

    he beholds Puritan Board Doctor

    I think maybe your advice is good, but not very applicable here. You won't find many (any) "fundamental" types, as far as I know.

    And you are right, parents are guilty of sin and will sin against their children. However, sending them to school gives a plethora of other opportunities to be sinned against, and those situations may not be dealt with biblically.
    Do we want our children to be taught by a grown-up or by 25 kids their own ages? In a school setting, especially past elementary school, students are not under the care of one single teacher who can really get to know them, as they see maybe six teachers throughout the day, and those six teachers care for 125 students or so.

    I think it is perfectly fine to keep your kids at home for more than one reason. Sure, your one reason of better education may sound right to you, but some of us will be in situations where the schools are excellent, or we could find a private one that is excellent, and we would still choose to homeschool our babes.

    Where, besides your own opinion, are we told that it is wrong to make decisions based on our want to protect our little ones, even if we are being over-cautious.

    I think most of us on the homeschooling side can agree 100% that education is not the be all and end all, and that is why even minimally educated parents know that they can accomplish more by keeping kids at home rather than sending them to school.

    I do know, however, that God's grace follows our children and in fact, goes before them, and His will will be done, whether they are in home or in school. I am just hoping to train them as I best can, and for me that involves my being their primary caregiver. We all have to make this choice: how will I obey God? We read God's instruction to train up a child in the way of the Lord, and then look at our circumstances, our abilities, our understanding of what that means, and the needs of our children to determine the best way for our family to accomplish this great task. Some of us will choose homeschooling, others private, others cyber, others public, and maybe others will use multiple methods. I think some of would argue that the easiest way to raise our kids in the admonition of the Lord is homeschooling, but we all, I think, would understand that for a small few, that may in fact not be the easiest. For instance, if a parent must work or the kid starves, we would see that training a starving child would not be the easiest way to teach them about God's love.

    -----Added 3/12/2009 at 04:41:06 EST-----

    Ditto!!!
     
  30. refbaptdude

    refbaptdude Puritan Board Freshman

    LadyFlynt I have no problem with your statement above. My concern is more inline with what Ken wrote. -
    And we should be careful that this is not a divisive issue in our local churches. Our unity is around the truth of the gospel not individual educational choices or personal convictions of families.
     
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