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Originally posted by joshua
Thanks, Andrew. I will read the article when I get a few minutes. Let me ask a possibly premature question. Would you think it sinful for a person who was convinced by Scripture (according to, say, Hebrew example) to observe a sundown to sundown Sabbath?
Originally posted by joshua
Thanks, Andrew. I will read the article when I get a few minutes. Let me ask a possibly premature question. Would you think it sinful for a person who was convinced by Scripture (according to, say, Hebrew example) to observe a sundown to sundown Sabbath?
VII. As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment, binding all men, in all ages, He hath particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto Him: (k) which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week; and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,(l) which, in Scripture, is called the Lord's Day,(m) and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.(n)
(k) Exod. 20:8, 10, 11; Isa. 56:2, 4, 6, 7.
(l) Gen. 2:2, 3; I Cor. 16:1, 2; Acts 20:7.
(m) Rev. 1:10.
(n) Exod. 20:8, 10, with Matt. 5:17, 18.
VIII. This Sabbath is then kept holy unto the Lord, when men, after a due preparing of their hearts, and ordering of their common affairs beforehand, do not only observe an holy rest, all the day, from their own works, words, and thoughts about their worldly employments and recreations,(o) but also are taken up the whole time in the public and private exercises of His worship, and in the duties of necessity and mercy.(p)
(o) Exod. 20:8; Exod. 16:23, 25, 26, 29, 30; Exod. 31:15, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13; Neh. 13:15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22.
(p) Isa. 58:13; Matt. 12:1 to 13.
Q115: Which is the fourth commandment?
A115: The fourth commandment is, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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1. Exod. 20:8-11
Q116: What is required in the fourth commandment?
A116: The fourth commandment requires of all men the sanctifying or keeping holy to God such set times as he hath appointed in his word, expressly one whole day in seven; which was the seventh from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, and the first day of the week ever since, and so to continue to the end of the world; which is the Christian sabbath,[1] and in the New Testament called The Lord's day.[2]
1. Deut. 5:12, 14, 18; Gen. 2:2-3; I Cor. 16:1-2; Acts 20:7; Matt. 5:17-18; Isa. 56:2, 4, 6-7
2. Rev. 1:10
Q117: How is the sabbath or the Lord's day to be sanctified?
A117: The sabbath or Lord's day is to be sanctified by an holy resting all the day,[1] not only from such works as are at all times sinful, but even from such worldly employments and recreations as are on other days lawful;[2] and making it our delight to spend the whole time (except so much of it as is to betaken up in works of necessity and mercy)[3] in the public and private exercises of God's worship:[4] and, to that end, we are to prepare our hearts, and with such foresight, diligence, and moderation, to dispose and seasonably dispatch our worldly business, that we may be the more free and fit for the duties of that day.[5]
1. Exod. 20:8, 10
2. Exod. 16:25-28; Neh. 13:15-22; Jer. 17:21-22
3. Matt. 12:1-13
4. Isa. 58:18; 66:23; Luke 4:16; Acts 20:7; I Cor. 16:1-2; Psa. ch. 92; Lev. 23:3
5. Exod. 16:22, 25-26, 29; 20:8; Luke 23:54, 56; Neh. 13:19
Q118: Why is the charge of keeping the sabbath more specially directed to governors of families, and other superiors?
A118: The charge of keeping the sabbath is more specially directed to governors of families, and other superiors, because they are bound not only to keep it themselves, but to see that it be observed by all those that are under their charge; and because they are prone ofttimes to hinder them by employments of their own.[1]
1. Exod. 20:10; 23:12; Josh. 24:15; Neh. 13:15, 17; Jer. 17:20-22
Q119: What are the sins forbidden in the fourth commandment?
A119: The sins forbidden in the fourth commandment are, all omissions of the duties required,[1] all careless, negligent, and unprofitable performing of them, and being weary of them;[2] all profaning the day by idleness, and doing that which is in itself sinful;[3] and by all needless works, words, and thoughts, about our worldly employments and recreations.[4]
1. Ezek. 22:26
2. Acts 15:7, 9; Ezek. 33:30-32; Amos 8:5; Mal. 1:13
3. Ezek. 23:38
4. Jer. 17:24, 27; Isa. 58:13
Q120: What are the reasons annexed to the fourth commandment, the more to enforce it?
A120: The reasons annexed to the fourth commandment, the more to enforce it, are taken from the equity of it, God allowing us six days of seven for our own affairs, and reserving but one for himself, in these words, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:[1] from God's challenging a special propriety in that day, The seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God:[2] from the example of God, who in six days made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: and from that blessing which God put upon that day, not only in sanctifying it to be a day for his service, but in ordaining it to be a means of blessing to us in our sanctifying it; Wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.[3]
1. Exod. 20:9
2. Exod. 20:10
3. Exod. 20:11
Q121: Why is the word Remember set in the beginning of the fourth commandment?
A121: The word Remember is set in the beginning of the fourth commandment,[1] partly, because of the great benefit of remembering it, we being thereby helped in our preparation to keep it,[2] and, in keeping it, better to keep all the rest of the commandments,[3] and to continue a thankful remembrance of the two great benefits of creation and redemption, which contain a short abridgment of religion;[4] and partly, because we are very ready to forget it,[5] for that there is less light of nature for it,[6] and yet it restraineth our natural liberty in things at other times lawful;[7] that it comesthbut once in seven days, and many worldly businesses come between, and too often take off our minds from thinking of it, either to prepare for it, or to sanctify it;[8] and that Satan with his instruments much labor to blot out the glory, and even the memory of it, to bring in all irreligion and impiety.[9]
1. Exod. 20:8
2. Exod. 16:23; Luke 23:54, 56; Mark 15:42; Neh. 13:19
3. Psa. 92:13-14; Ezek. 20:12, 19-20
4. Gen. 2:2-3; Psa. 118:22, 24; Acts 4:10, 11; Rev. 1:10
5. Ezek. 22:26
6. Neh. 9:14
7. Exod. 34:21
8. Deut. 5:14-15; Amos 8:5
9. Lam. 1:7; Jer. 17:21-23; Neh. 13:15-23
(1) Samuel Rutherford (1600-1661) was one of the Scottish commissioners to the Westminster Assembly. The following is an excerpt from his Ane Catachisme Conteining the Soume of Christian Religion (cited in Catechisms of the Second Reformation , by Alexander Mitchell, James Nisbet & Co., 1886, p.232). The original English of Rutherford has been preserved.
Q. Quhat [What] is it to sanctifie the Sabbath?
A. It is to sett all apairt from the dawning of the day untill midnight
(Jn. 20:1; Acts 20:7) for Godis service.
(2) Thomas Vincent (1634-1678) was a Puritan pastor in London and first published his Explanation of the Assembly´s Shorter Catechism in 1674. In "An Epistle To The Reader" the following words of commendation are found as an introduction to Vincent´s work:
For such reasons as these, we highly approve the labours of this reverend brother, in his "˜Explanation of the Assembly´s Shorter Catechism.´ And having to our great satisfaction, perused it ourselves, in whole or in part, do readily recommend it to others: for though he composed it at first for his own particular congregation, yet we judge it may be greatly useful to all Christians in general, especially to private families" (The Shorter Catechism Explained from Scripture, The Banner of Truth Trust, 1980, p.v).
This epistle was signed by 40 divines including stellar Puritans such as John Owen, Thomas Manton, Thomas Brooks, Thomas Watson, and three surviving commissioners of the Westminster Assembly (Joseph Caryl, Edmund Calamy, and Thomas Case). Needless to say, Vincent´s work was highly prized as a faithful tool in explaining the Shorter Catechism. In his discussion of Question 58 of the Shorter Catechism, Vincent asks and answers the following question:
Q. 6 When doth this holy day or Sabbath begin, in the evening before [midnight] or that morning from midnight?
A. In the evening before [midnight], by virtue of that word, "Remember to keep holy the seventh day," we ought to begin to prepare for the Sabbath; but the Sabbath itself doth not begin until the evening is spent, and midnight thereof over, and the morning after twelve of the clock beginneth (The Shorter Catechism Explained from Scripture , Banner of Truth Trust, 1980, p.139; cf. pp.139-141 for Vincent´s biblical defense of his view) .
(3) Thomas Ridgeley (1667-1734) was an assistant minister in London to Thomas Gouge, a commissioner to the Westminister Assembly. Ridgeley composed a massive work entitled The Doctrines Of The Christian Religion Explained And Defended . This work is a commentary on the Larger Catechism. In it Ridgeley declares:
Hence, the Lord´s day begins in the morning, before sun-rising; or, according to our usual way of reckoning, we may conclude,that it begins immediately after midnight, and continues till midnight following (Commentary On The Larger Catechism, Still Waters Revival Books, 1993, Vol.2, p.352; cf. pp.352-353 where Ridgeley articulates his position from Scripture).
(4) Thomas Boston (1676-1732) in his classic work on the Shorter Catechism, An Illustration of the Doctrines of the Christian Religion Upon the Plan of the Assembly´s Shorter Catechism Comprehending A Complete Body of Divinity , states the following:
The day to be kept holy, is one whole day. . . . This day we begin in the morning immediately after midnight; and so does the Sabbath begin, and not in the evening. . . . (Commentary On The Shorter Catechism , Still Waters Revival Books, 1993, Vol.2, p.189; cf. pp.189-190 for his biblical defense of the position).
(5) James Fisher (1697-1775), a minister in the Associate Presbyterian Synod, was appointed by the Associate Presbyterian Synod (together with Ebenezer Erskine and Ralph Erskine) to compose what is now known as Fisher´s Catechism (1760) which is an exposition of the Shorter Catechism. Under the exposition of Question 58 of the Shorter Catechism, the following question and answer appear:
Q. 10. When should we begin and end this day [i.e. the Sabbath]?
A. We should measure it just as we do other days from midnight to midnight, without alienating any part of it to our own works (an extract from Fisher´s Catechism , cited in An Anthology of Presbyterian & Reformed Literature , Naphtali Press, Vol.5, p.198, 1992).
(6) John Brown of Haddington (1722-1787) a Scottish minister in the Associate Presbyterian Synod expounds the following in his explanation of the Shorter Catechism:
Q. When doth the weekly Sabbath begin?
A. In the morning, immediately after midnight.
Q. How prove you that?
A. As Christ rose early in the morning, and the evening after is called the evening of the same day; and Moses said, "Tomorrow (not this night) is a Sabbath to the Lord, Jn. 20:1,19; Ex. 16:23.
Q. How then is it said, Lev. 23:32, "From evening to evening shall ye celebrate your Sabbath?
A. That related to the ceremonial, not to the weekly Sabbath (An Essay, Towards an Easy, Plain, Practical, and Extensive Explication of the Assembly´s Shorter Catechism, printed by Henry Frick, 1818, p.255).
(7) William S. Plumer, a nineteenth century Southern Presbyterian minister wrote the following in an exposition of the ten commandments entitled, The Law of God, as Contained in the Ten Commandments, Explained and Enforced (Presbyterian Board of Publication, 1864, pp.309-310):
When does the Sabbath begin?
There is some diversity in the Christian world respecting the time, at which the Sabbath begins. Some date it from sunset on Saturday till sunset on Sabbath. When asked for their authority, they refer to a phrase which occurs several times in the first chapter of Genesis: "And the evening and the morning were the first day." This has not been considered sufficient proof by the great mass of the Christian world. Nor ought it to be, as all the world knows that no day of creation began in the evening; but all of them began in the morning. That saying of Moses therefore only declares that the day was made up of two parts, the after part, and the fore part. Indeed the evidence in the New Testament seems to be clearly against this view. "Our Sabbath begins where the Jewish Sabbath ended; but the Jewish Sabbath did not end towards the evening, but towards the morning. Matt. 28:1. "˜In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week,´ etc. In the New Testament, the evening following, and not going before this first day of the week, is called the evening of the first day, John 20:19. "˜The same day, at evening, being the first day of the week,´ etc. Our Sabbath is held in memory of Christ´s resurrection, and it is certain that Christ rose early in the morning of the first day of the week."
Originally posted by CalsFarmer
Do you think maybe ya'll are worrying just a little bit TOO much about this?
Originally posted by CalsFarmer
The answers I have seen here would do nothing but confuse and comletely upset a new christian to the point of complete and utter despair...I was starting to get depressed....
Q95: Of what use is the moral law to all men?
A95: The moral law is of use to all men, to inform them of the holy nature and will of God,[1] and of their duty, binding them to walk accordingly;[2] to convince them of their disability to keep it, and of the sinful pollution of their nature, hearts, and lives;[3] to humble them in the sense of their sin and misery,[4] and thereby help them to a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ,[5] and of the perfection of his obedience.[6]
1. Lev. 11:44-45; 20:7-8; Rom. 7:12
2. Micah 6:8; James 2:10-11
3. Psa. 19:11-12; Rom. 3:20; 7:7
4. Rom. 3:9, 23
5. Gal. 3:21-22
6. Rom. 10:4
Originally posted by CalsFarmer
Both of my daughters are nurses and work weekends.....thye have to
schedule days off and trade shifts to attend church every week or two.
Originally posted by CalsFarmer
We celebrate our Lords day with worship, meals at home, no malls and just family time maybe having people over after services, In my humble opinion theres no need to attach all these insane rules and regulations that just make it a chore to celebrate the Lords Day with the main worry being how we are offending God if we start at midnight or 6AM. I cook, do dishes and GAD maybe even throw in a load of laundry if theres been a mess....
There is possibly something wrong with me as far as ya'll are concerned...but this gal cannot live with all that self induced stress. I want to enjoy God not worry about the bobsled to hell.....
Originally posted by CalsFarmer
Ya'll would do really good at an Orthodox Synagogue!!!! The Orthodox Jews even have timers for lights and kitchen appliances even down to garage door openers so they do not have to push butons to 'work'.
Do you think maybe ya'll are worrying just a little bit TOO much about this? The answers I have seen here would do nothing but confuse and comletely upset a new christian to the point of complete and utter despair...I was starting to get depressed....
Both of my daughters are nurses and work weekends.....thye have to
schedule days off and trade shifts to attend church every week or two
We celebrate our Lords day with worship, meals at home, no malls and just family time maybe having people over after services, In my humble opinion theres no need to attach all these insane rules and regulations that just make it a chore to celebrate the Lords Day with the main worry being how we are offending God if we start at midnight or 6AM. I cook, do dishes and GAD maybe even throw in a load of laundry if theres been a mess....
There is possibly something wrong with me as far as ya'll are concerned...but this gal cannot live with all that self induced stress. I want to enjoy God not worry about the bobsled to hell.....
Originally posted by joshua
If you vote, feel free to comment...ahem.
If you haven't voted, feel free to vote and comment.
Originally posted by Henry from Canada
I have a followup question.
If Saturday or Sunday is a "more sacred day," what is permissable and what is not permissable on this day?
- can a doctor work?
- can a dairy farmer work?
- can a person watch TV knowing the vile images on TV shows and commercials?
- can a person play sports?
- can a person walk 1,000 yards to get groceries?
- can a person entertain themselves watching entertainers working on Saturday or Sunday?
- can a student do homework on Sunday?
- can a fat person exercise on Sunday, knowing exercise can be hard work?
How specifically is this "sacred day" different from other days?
If a church insists on a sacred day, might this pose a unnecessary burden on new Christians? A new Christian may have to work on Sunday to provide for his family.
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
Everyone needs to keep in mind, legalism is not legalism if God requires something! Jesus was concerned with the 'jot and tittle', as should we. Granted, the parts that were ceremonial have been abrogated, but the central theme is eternal. It should be all of our goals to hold to Gods sabbath as best we can. Jesus kept the sabbath; is it everyone's belief that He was lackadaisical? Can we keep it like Christ did? That shouldn't be the question.
The WCF is clear; we need to cease from the typical on the Lords day; this, I believe is key. Study Gods word in a deeper way on the Lords day; do acts of mercy. Break bread with the brethren (yes you can cook!) Minister to our families.
Originally posted by trevorjohnson
Don't we believe in a Sabbath "Principle" rather than a legal requirement?
The Sabbath, being a creation ordinance and thus eternal, is to be shed of its legal nit-picky requirements in this New Covenant age.
A strict list of do's and dont's was fine for civil Israel, but for us who are God's Elect - the new Israel, outward obeisance gives way to observing the principle in the best way we know how - which mostly hinges upon loving and honoring God with the day.
No Sabbatarian I know gives the same list of what is acceptable or forbidden on the Sabbath. If it were so clear, wouldn't there be a consensus?
Mercy or necessity gives clearance for civil servants, police, army, nurses to Sunday. Eating out, getting gas, etc may also be necessary.
GASP...many of you may not realize this, but your electric meter runs 24/7. You are working or causing work on the Sabbath by merely having electricity. Even your church requires work due to electricity.
I am a missionary who travels much to speak. Sometimes I need to drive on Sundays. By necessity, driving requires gas.
Should I only travel a "new" Sabbath day's journey (which would be, I guess, the equivalent of one tank of gas),and when I run out of gas, do I sleep in a ditch so as not to make Motel 6 work?
I think many of you all strain at gnats.
John 4:23-24 23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
Originally posted by joshua
Ditto Patrick and Scott. We mustn't be too quick to label things legalistic.
Originally posted by kevin.carroll
Originally posted by Scott Bushey
Everyone needs to keep in mind, legalism is not legalism if God requires something! Jesus was concerned with the 'jot and tittle', as should we. Granted, the parts that were ceremonial have been abrogated, but the central theme is eternal. It should be all of our goals to hold to Gods sabbath as best we can. Jesus kept the sabbath; is it everyone's belief that He was lackadaisical? Can we keep it like Christ did? That shouldn't be the question.
The WCF is clear; we need to cease from the typical on the Lords day; this, I believe is key. Study Gods word in a deeper way on the Lords day; do acts of mercy. Break bread with the brethren (yes you can cook!) Minister to our families.
Again, completely agreed. But agonizing over things like does the Sabbath begin at midnight or dawn is certainly in the antechamber of legalism.
Originally posted by joshua
Ditto Patrick and Scott. We mustn't be too quick to label things legalistic.