Matthew1344
Puritan Board Sophomore
What is Abrahams Bosom? I read Calvin's commentary, and I couldn't really piece together his thoughts about it.
My understanding of afterlife is that there is some sort of Heaven and hell. A place of being in the presence of the blessings of God and a place of torment and wrath of God. But the Heaven isn't te full, finished, complete Heaven, for lack of better words. And hell is not full, finished, complete hell, for lack of better words. Heaven now is not the New Heaven and New Earth. And Hell now is not the Lake Of Fire. Is this right?
And I thought everyone that has been saved has gone to the Heaven. And everyone that hasn't has gone to this hell. And at the end of days, each person will be put in his proper place, new heavens and new earth or lake of fire.
I thought Abe bosom was just another name for Heaven. But my friend told me his view and it was pretty different.
He said that Abe bosom was a place for OT saints to go. He said they had to go there because they were not saved yet due to the fact that Christ has not attonened for their sin yet, so they could not be with God. And while Christ was in the grave, he went and emptied out Abe Bosom, and now the OT saints are with God, but they couldn't be until Christ came. So pretty much abe bosom was a place for OT saints to go to because they couldn't be saved yet because the atonement hadn't reached them yet.
I told him I've never heard that before. I asked him "how were people saved in the OT? It was by faith (And he believed the Lord, and he counted it to him as righteousness -Genesis *15:*6 ESV; Hebrews 11). So if it was by faith where did that faith came from? I believe it came from the cross. I believe that when Christ died he purchased everything we need to be saved, including faith. And since Gen 15 and Hebrew 11 say they had faith, then I think the atomenment would have def reached them. And if the atonement reached them they would be in Heaven.
My second point that I believe shows the atonement, though had not happened in time yet, still reached people in OT was with David. Nathan the prophet said to David "The Lord has put away your sins". So how can sins be put away if there is no attonent that reached him? I think the atonement of Christ had to have reached David, if not then it would have been unjust for God to put away his sins.
So since OT believers def had faith and were saved by the blood of Christ, is Abraham's bosom still the place they would go? Or Heaven, or is Abe bosom same as Heaven?
Thanks guys! I know this is probably an easy answer for some of you guys, sorry about asking something so simple if it is simple. And secondly, sorry about my wording. I know it's not the best. I'm not the best communicator. Please feel free to ask me to elaborate.
My understanding of afterlife is that there is some sort of Heaven and hell. A place of being in the presence of the blessings of God and a place of torment and wrath of God. But the Heaven isn't te full, finished, complete Heaven, for lack of better words. And hell is not full, finished, complete hell, for lack of better words. Heaven now is not the New Heaven and New Earth. And Hell now is not the Lake Of Fire. Is this right?
And I thought everyone that has been saved has gone to the Heaven. And everyone that hasn't has gone to this hell. And at the end of days, each person will be put in his proper place, new heavens and new earth or lake of fire.
I thought Abe bosom was just another name for Heaven. But my friend told me his view and it was pretty different.
He said that Abe bosom was a place for OT saints to go. He said they had to go there because they were not saved yet due to the fact that Christ has not attonened for their sin yet, so they could not be with God. And while Christ was in the grave, he went and emptied out Abe Bosom, and now the OT saints are with God, but they couldn't be until Christ came. So pretty much abe bosom was a place for OT saints to go to because they couldn't be saved yet because the atonement hadn't reached them yet.
I told him I've never heard that before. I asked him "how were people saved in the OT? It was by faith (And he believed the Lord, and he counted it to him as righteousness -Genesis *15:*6 ESV; Hebrews 11). So if it was by faith where did that faith came from? I believe it came from the cross. I believe that when Christ died he purchased everything we need to be saved, including faith. And since Gen 15 and Hebrew 11 say they had faith, then I think the atomenment would have def reached them. And if the atonement reached them they would be in Heaven.
My second point that I believe shows the atonement, though had not happened in time yet, still reached people in OT was with David. Nathan the prophet said to David "The Lord has put away your sins". So how can sins be put away if there is no attonent that reached him? I think the atonement of Christ had to have reached David, if not then it would have been unjust for God to put away his sins.
So since OT believers def had faith and were saved by the blood of Christ, is Abraham's bosom still the place they would go? Or Heaven, or is Abe bosom same as Heaven?
Thanks guys! I know this is probably an easy answer for some of you guys, sorry about asking something so simple if it is simple. And secondly, sorry about my wording. I know it's not the best. I'm not the best communicator. Please feel free to ask me to elaborate.