Revelation 12:7, Edwards, Calvin, Michael, & Jesus????

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  1. Matthew1344

    Matthew1344 Puritan Board Freshman

    Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back,
    -Revelation 12:7


    Did Edwards and Calvin believe that Michael is Jesus?

    Satan has ever had a peculiar enmity against the Son of God. Probably his first rebellion, which was his condemnation, was his proudly taking it in disdain, when God declared the decree in heaven, that his Son in man’s nature, should be the King of heaven, and that all the angels should worship him. However that was, yet it is certain that his strife has ever been especially against the Son of God. The enmity has always been between the seed of the woman, and the serpent. And therefore that war which the devil maintains against God is represented by the devil and his angels fighting against Michael and his angels (Rev. 12:7). This Michael is Christ (Dan. 10:21 and 12:1).
    - Edwards. Christ Exalted Section III

    When Lucifer rebelled and set up himself as a head in opposition to God and Christ, and set himself as a head in opposition to God and Christ, and drew away a great number of angels, the Son of God, manifested himself as an opposite head, and appeared graciously to dissuade and restrain by his grace the elect angels from hearkening to Lucifer’s temptation, so that they were upheld and preserved eternal destruction at this time of great danger by the free and sovereign distinguishing grace of Christ. Herein Christ was the Saviour of the elect angels, for thought he did not save them as he did elect men from the ruin they had already deserved, and were condemned to, and the miserable, state they were already in, yet he saved them from eternal destruction they were in great danger of, and otherwise would have fallen into with the other angels. The elect angels joined with him, the glorious Michael, as their captain, while the other angels hearkened to Lucifer and joined him, and then was that literally true that fulfilled afterwards figuratively. Rev xii. “When there was war in heaven : Michael and his angels fought against the dragon ; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not ; neither was there place found any more heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world ; he was case out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” (The Works of Jonathan Edwards, Vol. 2, Banner of Truth, 1979 reprint, p. 606.)

    The twelfth chapter commenced, as we stated in yesterday’s Lecture, with the angel’s prediction as to the future state of the Church after the manifestation of Christ It was to be subject to many miseries, and hence this passage would soothe the sorrow of Daniel, and of all the pious, as he still promises safety to the Church through the help of God. Daniel therefore represented Michael as the guardian of the Church, and God had enjoined this duty upon Christ, as we learn from the 10th chapter of John, (ver. 28, 29.) As we stated yesterday, Michael may mean an angel; but I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ, because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people. He is called the mighty prince, because he naturally opposed the unconquered fortitude of God to those dangers to which the angel represents the Church to be subject. We well know the very slight causes for which terror often seizes our minds, and when we begin to tremble, nothing can calm our tumult and agitation. The angel then in treating of very grievous contests, and of the imminent danger of the Church, calls Michael the mighty prince. As if he had said, Michael should be the guardian and protector of the elect people, he should exercise immense power, and he alone without the slightest doubt should be sufficient for their protection. Christ confirms the same assertion, as we just; now saw, in the 10th chapter of John. He says all his elect were given him by his father, and none of them should perish, because his father was greater than all; no one, says he, shall pluck my sheep out of my hand. My father, who gave them me, is greater than all; meaning, God possesses infinite power, and displays it for the safety of those whom he has chosen before the creation of the world, and he has committed it to me, or has deposited it in my hands. We now perceive the reason of this epithet, which designates Michael as the great prince. (Calvin’s Commentaries on The Prophet Daniel, Vol. II, Baker reprint, vol. XIII, pp. 369, 370.)
     
  2. Matthew1344

    Matthew1344 Puritan Board Freshman

    Does no one have an answer? or is this a dumb question? Please someone help me out in this!...
     
  3. py3ak

    py3ak They're stalling and plotting against me Staff Member

    It is a bit of a shock when you come across it, since in our own day when you hear about this identification it is often either from a JW, or from a refutation of JW doctrine.

    But the view that Michael in Revelation is another name for Christ was not uncommon in the older Reformed. Turretin holds the same view.

    But that doesn't mean they are unorthodox, as the JWs are; they clearly hold to the truth with regard to Christ's deity. So though they and JWs may seem to say the same thing, the intent and result of the identification are worlds apart.
     
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  4. Matthew1344

    Matthew1344 Puritan Board Freshman

    Thanks for the help man!
     
  5. Matthew1344

    Matthew1344 Puritan Board Freshman

    Do you believe this Ruben?
    And how would they interpret Daniel 10:13?
     
  6. py3ak

    py3ak They're stalling and plotting against me Staff Member

    I am open to it, certainly, but haven't studied the issue enough to give a verdict. I know some of the names who held this and that they were not unorthodox, but I haven't considered the texts for myself to see if Michael is a title for Christ or not.
     
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  8. Mushroom

    Mushroom Puritan Board Doctor

    Two wise men on this board, same answer. Worthy of consideration, brother.

    So when are you going to invite me and my tribe to join you there in paradise? I can still speak a little Thai, kup koon kup! Either you or Yuetter are gonna have to break down and bring me home. You are moving me to the sin of envy.
     
  9. Matthew1344

    Matthew1344 Puritan Board Freshman

    Ha! come on man! get a ticket and we will hit the streets
     
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