Pastor Greco,
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What do you think this sentence means:
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by which is meant the covenant of grace, as administered under the Gospel dispensation
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The "Gospel dispensation" is the new covenant. The new covenant is the covenant of grace in the sense that it is the best administration of it, but it is not EXACTLY EQUAL TO IT.
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Now wait a second..... Did you get that from Gill, or are you reading that into what Gill said?
Gill does not say here that the Gospel dispensation is the New Covenant; he said that the New Covenant is the covenant of grace. This New Covenant/Covenant of Grace is administered in the Gospel dispensation (but not in the gospel administration alone, for it was also administered through the Old Covenant, as he goes on to say).
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Why is that important? Because the Abrahamic covenant is also the covenant of grace. So is the mosaic. Gill says that explicitly:
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the old covenant, or former mode of administration of it
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The "it" there is covenant of grace.
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Let's stop right there....
How do you know that the "it" is not the New Covenant? Why do you just assume that the "it" is the covenant of grace (apart from the New Covenant)?
It is very important here to notice his use of the word "it".
Look again:
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for neither the cup, nor the wine in it, can be thought to be the covenant or testament itself, by which is meant the covenant of grace, as administered under the Gospel dispensation; called new, not because newly made, for [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] was made from everlasting; or lately revealed, for [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] was made known to our first parents immediately after the fall, and to other saints in succeeding ages, though more clearly exhibited by Christ under the present dispensation; but [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] is so called [u:a7290c5bd7]in distinction from the old covenant[/u:a7290c5bd7], or former mode of administration of [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7], under the Mosaic economy; and [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] [u:a7290c5bd7]is always new[/u:a7290c5bd7], and will be succeeded by no other; and [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] provides for and promises new things, and which are famous and excellent, and preferable to all others
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[i:a7290c5bd7]
1. called [u:a7290c5bd7]new[/u:a7290c5bd7], not because newly made, for [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] was made from everlasting;
2. or lately revealed, for [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] was made known to our first parents immediately after the fall
3. [b:a7290c5bd7]It[/b:a7290c5bd7] is so called in distiction from the Old Covenant.
4. former mode or administration of [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7]
5. [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] is always new, and will be succeeded by no other.
6. [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] provides for and promises new things. [/i:a7290c5bd7]
[b:a7290c5bd7]It[/b:a7290c5bd7] is the New Covenant.
1. It is the New Covenant which is "called new, not because newly made, for it was made from everlasting."
2. It is the New Covenant which was "made known to our first parents immediately after the fall".
3. It is the New Covenant which is "so called" (that is: called "new" in distinction from the Old Covenant.
4. It is the New Covenant which was formerly administered in the Old.
5. It is the New Covenant which is "always new and will be succeeded by no other".
6. And it is the New Covenant which "provides for and promises new things.
Hence, when Gill says, "the former mode and administration of [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7]", he means that the New Covenant/covenant of grace was formerly administered in the Old Covenant.
[b:a7290c5bd7]He uses "it" 6 times in reference to the New Covenant. Why would you think that all of a sudden, now "it" is supposed to refer to the [i:a7290c5bd7]covenant of grace, not the New Covenant[/i:a7290c5bd7]????[/b:a7290c5bd7]
By the way, Pastor Way has provided some good quotes from Spurgeon in which aparently Spurgeon (at least, aparently from those quotes) teaches the same.
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To get to the point, your quote from Malone is not useful. To be blunt, Malone has no clue about what Owen is saying. You have just quoted a conclusion - and a monumentally wrong one - by Malone. I'm NOT criticizing you; but Malone.
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Your charge here is against an ordained minister of the gospel, who, as yourself, is Christ's gift to His church. I only ask that you would please back up your statement with some good evidence.
Thanks.
[Edited on 2-21-2004 by Dan....]
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What do you think this sentence means:
quote:
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by which is meant the covenant of grace, as administered under the Gospel dispensation
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The "Gospel dispensation" is the new covenant. The new covenant is the covenant of grace in the sense that it is the best administration of it, but it is not EXACTLY EQUAL TO IT.
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Now wait a second..... Did you get that from Gill, or are you reading that into what Gill said?
Gill does not say here that the Gospel dispensation is the New Covenant; he said that the New Covenant is the covenant of grace. This New Covenant/Covenant of Grace is administered in the Gospel dispensation (but not in the gospel administration alone, for it was also administered through the Old Covenant, as he goes on to say).
[quote:a7290c5bd7]
Why is that important? Because the Abrahamic covenant is also the covenant of grace. So is the mosaic. Gill says that explicitly:
quote:
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the old covenant, or former mode of administration of it
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The "it" there is covenant of grace.
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Let's stop right there....
How do you know that the "it" is not the New Covenant? Why do you just assume that the "it" is the covenant of grace (apart from the New Covenant)?
It is very important here to notice his use of the word "it".
Look again:
[quote:a7290c5bd7]
for neither the cup, nor the wine in it, can be thought to be the covenant or testament itself, by which is meant the covenant of grace, as administered under the Gospel dispensation; called new, not because newly made, for [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] was made from everlasting; or lately revealed, for [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] was made known to our first parents immediately after the fall, and to other saints in succeeding ages, though more clearly exhibited by Christ under the present dispensation; but [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] is so called [u:a7290c5bd7]in distinction from the old covenant[/u:a7290c5bd7], or former mode of administration of [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7], under the Mosaic economy; and [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] [u:a7290c5bd7]is always new[/u:a7290c5bd7], and will be succeeded by no other; and [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] provides for and promises new things, and which are famous and excellent, and preferable to all others
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[i:a7290c5bd7]
1. called [u:a7290c5bd7]new[/u:a7290c5bd7], not because newly made, for [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] was made from everlasting;
2. or lately revealed, for [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] was made known to our first parents immediately after the fall
3. [b:a7290c5bd7]It[/b:a7290c5bd7] is so called in distiction from the Old Covenant.
4. former mode or administration of [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7]
5. [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] is always new, and will be succeeded by no other.
6. [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7] provides for and promises new things. [/i:a7290c5bd7]
[b:a7290c5bd7]It[/b:a7290c5bd7] is the New Covenant.
1. It is the New Covenant which is "called new, not because newly made, for it was made from everlasting."
2. It is the New Covenant which was "made known to our first parents immediately after the fall".
3. It is the New Covenant which is "so called" (that is: called "new" in distinction from the Old Covenant.
4. It is the New Covenant which was formerly administered in the Old.
5. It is the New Covenant which is "always new and will be succeeded by no other".
6. And it is the New Covenant which "provides for and promises new things.
Hence, when Gill says, "the former mode and administration of [b:a7290c5bd7]it[/b:a7290c5bd7]", he means that the New Covenant/covenant of grace was formerly administered in the Old Covenant.
[b:a7290c5bd7]He uses "it" 6 times in reference to the New Covenant. Why would you think that all of a sudden, now "it" is supposed to refer to the [i:a7290c5bd7]covenant of grace, not the New Covenant[/i:a7290c5bd7]????[/b:a7290c5bd7]
By the way, Pastor Way has provided some good quotes from Spurgeon in which aparently Spurgeon (at least, aparently from those quotes) teaches the same.
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To get to the point, your quote from Malone is not useful. To be blunt, Malone has no clue about what Owen is saying. You have just quoted a conclusion - and a monumentally wrong one - by Malone. I'm NOT criticizing you; but Malone.
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Your charge here is against an ordained minister of the gospel, who, as yourself, is Christ's gift to His church. I only ask that you would please back up your statement with some good evidence.
Thanks.
[Edited on 2-21-2004 by Dan....]