"Reformed Baptist" as a title

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  1. reformedman

    reformedman Puritan Board Freshman

    I wasn't the one who originally started the below thread but I'd like to see the discussion because I didn't get a chance to see how it ever ended.

    I wonder if you'd mind my bringing this up again but I remember I guess about a year ago, there was a small discussion concerning the title reformed baptist and I wouldn't know how to even begin a search on this.

    Some Presbyterians were saying, it is impossible to be a reformed baptist in linguistic terms (or was it grammatical, I don't know). The idea was that "reformed" and "baptist" can't go together.

    Could someone please clarify once again, why it is that the title 'reformed-baptist' can't logically be used?

    Thank you, and sorry for bringing it up again, but I want to know how it ended, and see what the arguments for each side would be.
     
  2. Puddleglum

    Puddleglum Puritan Board Sophomore

    My understanding is that the line of reasoning is that "Reformed" means more than the 5-points - it also refers to the view of Covenant Theology taught by Calvin, etc. - which isn't compatible with being a Baptist (as it necessarily leads to infant baptism).

    I'm sure there's lots of people who would be happy to debate it with / for you. :D
     
  3. Herald

    Herald Administrator Staff Member

    Frank - the term "Reformed Baptist" is an American term. In the U.K. we are called Particular Baptists because of our stand on particular or limited atonement.

    As far as the accuracy of "Reformed Baptist" it really is one of perception. Presbyterians would take exception to it because we do not fully embrace the Reformed faith (i.e. we're not full Covenant Theologians). But Baptists are not in the habit of trying to replicate Presbyterians. Our soteriology is definitely Reformed. Compared to most Baptist churches we have, indeed Reformed our theology. We are certainly Reformed-friendly without being full fledged covenant theologians.

    I see no problem with the term "Reformed Baptist." Use it in good health and to the glory of our Lord! :cheers:
     
  4. elnwood

    elnwood Puritan Board Junior

    Historically, the term Reformed was not associated with Baptists. I think the earliest usage of the term was 19th century. It is worth noting that where the Westminster Confession and the Savoy Declaration spoke of the "true reformed religion" in Chapter 25, the London Baptist omits the word Reformed.

    I think it is a useful term, though, for those who want to emphasize that those particular baptists were historical and doctrinal descendants from the Reformers and the unity that is shared, and in particular those who hold to the 1677/89 London or 1742 Philadelphia confession.

    The historical connection is hotly debated among Baptists, and I've even read about some Calvinistic Baptists who reject the term because they see themselves more as descendants of the Anabaptists than the Reformers. (In my opinion, it's hard to deny that there is truth to both).
     
  5. Kaalvenist

    Kaalvenist Puritan Board Sophomore

    A while back, I emailed a noted Reformed Baptist scholar this very question:
    To which he gave the reply:
    The individual in question "signed out" with his initials, "JMR," if that helps. :D
     
  6. PastorFaulk

    PastorFaulk Puritan Board Freshman

    A Few Thoughts...

    Let me begin by my definition...To be reformed is to follow in the footsteps of the reformation. Anglicans, and Lutherans are reformed Catholics. Puritans are reformed Anglicans. Baptists are reformed Puritans. Does this make any sense? For one to claim the "reformed" title exclusively is to discount the size of the whole reformation. Calling oneself reformed is stating that one is moving from a stagnant source to renewed biblical stance. Baxter in "The reformed pastor" did not title his book to mean the Calvinistic pastor, but instead to show the constant work to become a biblical pastor. So If I were to define a Reformed Baptist, it is one who has shed the stagnant water of Baptist tradition for a renewed biblical stance. Theology will always move liberally and stagnate as it is poisoned by secular culture. That is why all of us must be reformed daily, both as individuals and as a church. Romans 12:1-2
     
  7. Andrew P.C.

    Andrew P.C. Puritan Board Junior

    So does this make baptists reformed, reformed Anglicans? ;)
     
  8. Herald

    Herald Administrator Staff Member

    Back to the OP:

    There is no logical reason why the term can't be used.

    fini
     
  9. PastorFaulk

    PastorFaulk Puritan Board Freshman

    Or does it make us Reformed, Reformed, Reformed Catholics- or even Reformed, Reformed, Reformed, Reformed Jews? :lol:
     
  10. Philip A

    Philip A Puritan Board Sophomore

    Does this feel to anyone else like one of those evangellyfish campus ministry bible studies? You know, the one where you meekly raise your hand and say "can I share what this passage means to me?" :lol:
     
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