Questions about FV quotes

Discussion in 'Federal Vision/New Perspectives' started by nwink, Jul 23, 2013.

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  1. nwink

    nwink Puritan Board Sophomore

    How should we understand the following quotes contra what FV asserts regarding the efficacy of baptism? (I am somewhat new to these issues)

    Second Helvetic Confession
    "WHAT IT MEANS TO BE BAPTIZED. Now to be baptized in the name of Christ is to be enrolled, entered, and received into the covenant and family, and so into the inheritance of the sons of God; yes, and in this life to be called after the name of God; that is to say, to be called a Son of God; to be cleansed also from the filthiness of sins, and to be granted the manifold grace of God, in order to lead a new and innocent life. Baptism, therefore, calls to mind and renews the great favor God has shown to the race of mortal men. For we are all born in the pollution of sin and are the children of wrath. But God, who is rich in mercy, freely cleanses us from our sins by the blood of his Son, and in him adopts us to be his sons, and by a holy covenant joins us to himself, and enriches us with various gifts, that we might live a new life. All these things are assured by baptism. For inwardly we are regenerated, purified, and renewed by God through the Holy Spirit and outwardly we receive the assurance of the greatest gifts in the water, by which also those great benefits are represented, and, as it were, set before our eyes to be beheld."

    Bucer's liturgy on baptism (1537)
    "Almighty God, heavenly Father, we give you eternal praise and thanks, that you have granted and bestowed upon this child your fellowship, that you have born him again to yourself through holy baptism, that he has been incorporated into your beloved son, our only savior, and is now your child and heir..."
  2. BayouHuguenot

    BayouHuguenot Puritanboard Amanuensis

    The same Reformers who said these quotes also talked about the signs and seals of the sacraments, not to mention the sacramental union between the two. I"ve never seen FV guys talk about the sacramental union. If you interpret all of those quotes in light of the concept of sacramental union between sign and thing signified, then the shocking FV novelty disappears (which is why they never mention it).
  3. nwink

    nwink Puritan Board Sophomore

    Where's the "Reply With Quotation" on here so I can reply to Josh? (Is that a proper usage of the word?) ;)
  4. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member


    Second Helvetic
    and again
    Notice that those who have faith are truly cleansed and receive the reality of what is signified.
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