Psalm singing: does your church?

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  1. Preach

    Preach Puritan Board Sophomore

    Is there anyone on the PB whose church does not have psalm singing? If not, do you know why the elders have chosen not to sing psalms?

    Follow up question: Is psalm singing mandatory in corporate worship? I'm wondering if there is anyone on the PB who would take a contrarian view. What if the congregation had responsive readings with the Psalms? Would this be ok, or do the people literally have to sing psalms?
    Thanks.
    "In Christ",
    Bobby
     
  2. Romans922

    Romans922 Puritan Board Professor

    Can you define Psalm singing?
     
  3. Me Died Blue

    Me Died Blue Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    As far as having to actually sing them, I would say that is required, as that is what Scripture speaks of (Col. 3:16), and furthermore the Confession reiterates the same language (XXI.V). Regarding it being "mandatory" in worship, I would say singing Psalms in particular is certainly a required element of worship, although I would be hesitant in calling it one of the elements that must be weekly - similar to the sacraments.
     
  4. Scott Bushey

    Scott Bushey Puritanboard Commissioner

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  5. Romans922

    Romans922 Puritan Board Professor

    Well? does that mean psalms from the book of Psalms in the OT? Does that mean hymns? Does that mean it has to come from a psalter? Or can it be songs that come from psalms? what?
     
  6. Contra_Mundum

    Contra_Mundum Pilgrim, Alien, Stranger Staff Member

    --warning: about to violate the purpose of the thread--

    Here is 7 months of singing selections from our church:
    First set of #s: Trinity Hymnal
    2nd set of #s: Psalter (RPCNA)
    Notes:
    1) We have 2 services each Lord's Day.
    2) Since the Trinity Hymnal has so many Psalter selections, the actual ratio of Psalter selections to hymn selections sung in our services is about 2:1, or 2/3 the total
    ____________________
    Trinity Hymnal
    2
    4
    5
    6
    9
    12
    32
    34
    36
    43
    48
    51
    53 August 28, 2005
    53 December 4, 2005
    57
    59
    61 September 18, 2005
    61 December 4, 2005
    65 July 10, 2005
    65 October 2, 2005
    65 November 13, 2005
    66
    67
    71
    73
    75 June 19, 2005
    75 July 10, 2005
    75 August 14, 2005
    75 September 11, 2005
    76
    92
    101 June 12, 2005
    101 August 21, 2005
    108
    111
    114
    117 August 21, 2005
    117 October 9, 2005
    119 July 3, 2005
    119 September 25, 2005
    119 November 20, 2005
    140
    141
    149
    165
    181
    184
    195
    197
    198
    210
    221
    235
    252
    253
    256
    295
    297
    306
    308
    311
    316 July 10, 2005
    316 November 20, 2005
    321
    322 June 12, 2005
    322 October 9, 2005
    338
    345
    349
    367
    368
    369
    371
    376
    411
    427
    439
    443
    447
    448
    458 September 11, 2005
    458 October 16, 2005
    467
    469
    470 July 31, 2005
    470 September 25, 2005
    476
    481
    487
    493
    500 July 31, 2005
    500 September 4, 2005
    500 November 27, 2005
    501
    512
    521 November 6, 2005
    521 November 27, 2005
    524
    543
    559
    561
    585
    591 September 4, 2005
    591 October 16, 2005
    593
    599
    607
    609
    612
    616
    642
    651
    660
    686
    697
    713
    719
    724

    99 different
    118 total

    Psalter
    2 July 10, 2005
    2 December 4, 2005
    2 December 18, 2005
    4B
    5B
    7B
    8B
    14A
    14C
    18A
    18C
    21A
    22I
    23A
    23B June 12, 2005
    23B September 4, 2005
    23B December 4, 2005
    24A
    25B
    27D
    30A
    31F
    32C
    32D
    34B June 26, 2005
    34B September 11, 2005
    37C
    40B
    40C
    45C September 4, 2005
    45C October 16, 2005
    45C December 25, 2005
    46A September 11, 2005
    46A October 23, 2005
    47A
    50B
    51D October 16, 2005
    51D December 11, 2005
    51E July 17, 2005
    51E December 11, 2005
    53
    60B
    65A
    66C
    67A
    67B
    68A
    72A
    73B
    75
    78A June 26, 2005 (AM)
    78A June 26, 2005 (PM)
    78G
    79A
    79B
    80A
    80B
    81A
    81B September 18, 2005
    81B September 25, 2005
    82
    83C
    84A
    84B July 31, 2005
    84B November 13, 2005
    85A
    86A
    86B July 31, 2005
    86B November 6, 2005
    87
    88B
    89B
    89E
    89F
    91A
    91B
    92C
    96A August 14, 2005
    96A November 6, 2005
    97A
    98A
    99B
    103A
    103B
    103C July 3, 2005
    103C September 11, 2005
    104A
    104E
    105A
    106E
    107A
    110
    111B
    115C
    115D
    116C
    118C July 24, 2005
    118C September 4, 2005
    119E
    119I
    119P
    119U
    122B June 12, 2005
    122B September 4, 2005
    123
    130A
    132B
    133A June 12, 2005
    133A June 19, 2005
    135B June 5, 2005
    135B September 25, 2005
    138B
    139C
    145B
    146A
    149 August 21, 2005
    149 September 25, 2005
    149 October 9, 2005

    96 different
    118 total
     
  7. Arch2k

    Arch2k Puritan Board Graduate

    Bruce! Wow, your church is MUCH more consistent than my own!

    The church of which I am a member hardly sings any Psalms (much less hymns for that matter).

    Oh how I long for her reformation!

    Side note: Bruce, where's the list of your "spiritual songs"? :p

    Couldn't help it! :lol:
     
  8. VictorBravo

    VictorBravo Administrator Staff Member

    We usually meet three times each Lord's day, and we sing two to four psalms each Lord's day. We use the Trinity Hymnal and Trinity Psalter.

    We're Baptist, but we love our (God's) psalms.

    Vic
     
  9. ReformedWretch

    ReformedWretch Puritan Board Doctor

    We use the Trinity Hymnal and Trinity Psalter.
     
  10. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    Two worship services and we sing only psalms and all 150 seriatim each year.
     
  11. Mike

    Mike Puritan Board Freshman

    You've gotta be careful. There are people out there that think you're going to Hell if you don't line.
     
  12. gwine

    gwine Puritan Board Sophomore

    think?
     
  13. NaphtaliPress

    NaphtaliPress Administrator Staff Member

    Well, at least somewhere on the scale of a sin to "doing it wrong."
     
  14. Mike

    Mike Puritan Board Freshman

    My church sings them fairly sparingly, but has not forgotten them altogether. I doubt there are many churches who purposefully just do not sing psalms.

    At the very least it is the Christian's duty to sing them; I am not sure that it is sinful to exclude them from corporate worship in and of itself, but it seems as though they ought certainly be present in it.

    Like said by another poster, the language of passages like Eph 5 and Col 3 seems to teach us we should be singing them.

    In the case where this is a natural impossibility, someone is disabled in such a way they cannot sing or there are no suitable arrangements available (which isn't the case for English-speakers,) it seems like it might best be practiced through chanting or other recitation.
     
  15. Peter

    Peter Puritan Board Junior

    Gill was EP (and Spurgeon very famously anti-instruments)
     
  16. VictorBravo

    VictorBravo Administrator Staff Member

    I'm anti-instrument as well, but, alas, our assembly uses a piano to lead the singing. But there is no special music.

    Vic
     
  17. VirginiaHuguenot

    VirginiaHuguenot Puritanboard Librarian

    Our denomination adheres to the Westminster Confession and the Westminster Directory for Public Worship with respect to the matter of song praise, and therefore practices exclusive psalmody.
     
  18. ChristopherPaul

    ChristopherPaul Puritan Board Senior

    My church adheres to the Westminster Confession and the Westminster Directory for Public Worship with respect to the matter of song praise, and therefore sings psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs.

    :bigsmile:
     
  19. daveb

    daveb Puritan Board Sophomore

    My church sings no psalms whatsoever. I'm planning on asking the deacons.
     
  20. crhoades

    crhoades Puritan Board Graduate

    All right! This is going to be a clean fight. No hitting below the belt by calling out one's ancestors. No ad hominems. Ding! Ding.:banana:
     
  21. VirginiaHuguenot

    VirginiaHuguenot Puritanboard Librarian

    I thought the PCA did not adhere to the Westminster Directory of Public Worship (1645).
     
  22. crhoades

    crhoades Puritan Board Graduate

    We don't. A modified directory is included with our BCO but it isn't binding except for the sacraments.:(
     
  23. crhoades

    crhoades Puritan Board Graduate

    http://www.pcanet.org/BCO/BCO47-55.htm
     
  24. VirginiaHuguenot

    VirginiaHuguenot Puritanboard Librarian

    The PCA directory of worship is not a product of the Westminster Assembly. The Presbyterian Church in the United States of America dropped the Westminster Directory of Public Worship in 1787 and created a new directory.

    The language of the PCA directory specifically calls for the singing of uninspired hymns as well as psalms, while the language of the Westminster Directory of Public Worship (1645) calls for the singing of psalms only.

    Psalms are the only matter of song praise identified as an element of worship by the Westminster Confession to be sung. This is acknowledged historically and by those even today who take exception to the Confession in favor of uninspired hymnody.

    [Edited on 1-6-2006 by VirginiaHuguenot]
     
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  25. ChristopherPaul

    ChristopherPaul Puritan Board Senior

    Don't worry, I am not picking a fight. I am not fully trained in the art of song praise combat. Just heckling from the stands.

    Believe me if the PRC had churches near me my family would have no problem joining fellowship with them and gladly submitting to their teachings. But as with many of these "right" churches, they simply do not exist. So until the PRC and the like have appointed elders in every city, my family will submit to the confessional church who has appointed ministers in the area I live.

    [Edited on 1-6-2006 by ChristopherPaul]
     
  26. VirginiaHuguenot

    VirginiaHuguenot Puritanboard Librarian

    :) Incidentally, there is a family that lives in southern New Jersey that worships with us every week. They drive down on Saturday and return on the Lord's Day evening or Monday.
     
  27. ChristopherPaul

    ChristopherPaul Puritan Board Senior

    Ah yes, that's right the world is to go out into all nations finding churches that teach all that Jesus commanded and who baptize in the name of God, Son and Holy Spirit. :um:

    I am sure this family (who is farther south than me) do not attend weekly activities such as session meetings, usher meetings, fellowship times, weekly services, etc.

    I am not trying to be condescending, but again these "perfect" churches simply do not exist for most people. I am not ordained to create schism nor to to plant mission churches. The officers in these denominations are. Until these more orthodox churches actually appoint elders in every city, I will gladly sing Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs joyously in one accord with my confessional church.
     
  28. VirginiaHuguenot

    VirginiaHuguenot Puritanboard Librarian

    Sarcasm is uncalled for and specifically prohibited on this board. I was not trying to tell you that you have to go anywhere else. I was simply commenting on a family in our church that travels to worship with us each week. They are seeking to become members and move to Virginia. Their circumstances are their own and not binding on anyone else. Moreover, you do not know what meetings they do or do not attend and it is uncalled for you to presume that you do.

    I am not interested in debating with you. You said that the the PCA adheres to the Westminster Directory of Public Worship. I have demonstrated that they do not.

    [Edited on 1-6-2006 by VirginiaHuguenot]
     
  29. ChristopherPaul

    ChristopherPaul Puritan Board Senior

    Andrew I realize it was a incidental fact. I don't know what weekly fellowship this family participates in. I know that upon moving to New Jersey, my wife and I traveled an hour to church and we were the youth directors and had duties on the worship team. That lasted a year. We simply could not make the weekly events due to work schedules. Traveling to Virginia a couple nights a week would require some unique circumstances.

    Our churches abide by the same confession of faith and yet are divided. We can agree on a common confession but disagree enough to divide. I took your original comment to be quite elitists and snobbish. Even if I agreed with every conviction you have, I could not attend such a church as your because they do not exist in my world (region). That should be tragic to you and your denomination, not a chip to throw on your shoulder. In response you simply give an ironic example of a couple from my home state who actually travel a great distance to attend a church. How should I take that?

    I apologize for the offense brother. I didn't expect such a harsh reaction, but then again, I suppose you probably didn't expect my blunt posts either.
     
  30. VirginiaHuguenot

    VirginiaHuguenot Puritanboard Librarian

    Chris,

    As seen in another thread, cyber discussions can easily go awry. I accept your apology. I was not in any way trying to be "elitist" or "snobbish" as you describe. I was attempting to state briefly why my church practices exclusive psalmody, and I was not addressing you at all. I apologize if my wording came across arrogantly. I was simply trying to state a fact.

    Your denomination and mine do not hold to the same directory for worship and even our confessions of faith are different. It is a sad thing that they are close and yet there are differences, but the differences that exist are substantial. I pray that Reformed Christians, indeed all Christians, may one day be united in one spirit and in one body, worshipping God together in spirit and in truth.

    May the grace of God be with you, brother. Peace.
     
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