Pope Francis allegedly declares that "there is no hell" in interview

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  1. Haeralis

    Haeralis Puritan Board Freshman

    http://www.newsweek.com/does-hell-e...interview-could-change-catholic-church-866010

    The Vatican predictably jumps into defense mode and denies that the interview ever happened. Even if he did not utter these remarks in an interview format, it doubtless represents the Pope's universalist leanings.

    Consider:
    https://www.opc.org/nh.html?article_id=722

    https://timothyjhammons.com/2016/04/17/the-pope-embraces-universalism/

    https://www.americamagazine.org/fai...-must-unite-against-intolerance-prejudice-and
     
  2. Gforce9

    Gforce9 Puritan Board Junior

    Good 'ol Francis.... selling off the family farm.....
     
  3. Bill The Baptist

    Bill The Baptist Puritan Board Graduate

    Technically, what he was espousing was annihilationism and not universalism.
     
  4. Joshua

    Joshua Administrator Staff Member

    Well, when you presume to stand in Christ's stead, no lie would ever seem off limits.
     
  5. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    Whom do we believe? The Vatican says the journalist was lying, but to be honest the alleged comments do not seem too far off of Francis's theology.
     
  6. Pergamum

    Pergamum Ordinary Guy (TM)

    It seems that the old rhetorical question of, "Is the Pope Catholic?!" is now a legit question.
     
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  7. Gforce9

    Gforce9 Puritan Board Junior

    The following video is very pertinent to the discussion. In the Ligonier video, this guy spells out the radical shift in emphasis at Vatican II and that Francis is the embodiment of that council. It is worth the 20-25 minutes, for sure. The speaker is a Protestant with a pastorate and para-church in Rome.

     
  8. Rangerus

    Rangerus Puritan Board Junior

    funny thing is this is the fifth interview he has conducted with La Repubblica founder Eugenio Scalfar and each time the Vatican refutes the interview. will they ever learn?
     
  9. TylerRay

    TylerRay Puritan Board Senior

    I'm almost embarrassed by Francis on behalf of the Papists. They really put a loose canon on the throne.
     
  10. Gforce9

    Gforce9 Puritan Board Junior

    No doubt, Tyler. My extended family is hard-core R.C. and they are embarrassed about Francis.....
     
  11. hammondjones

    hammondjones Puritan Board Sophomore

    Wasn't ex cathedra, so it doesn't count.
     
  12. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    Right. If it's true, then the defence would be that it's not one of those infallible statements. The pope is not said to be infallible in all circumstances, so some of the headlines are misleading.
     
  13. RBachman

    RBachman Puritan Board Freshman

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    WCF 25 VI. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God.

    I do wonder: can a pope be impeached? I'm not sure I really care, but it is an interesting question.

    Or better yet, what if God is using the current Pope to rescue His elect from that false church?

    Ro9:22, 23 (ESV) What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—
     
  14. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Doctor

    Per Catholic theology though, when he speaks on theology and practices for the Church of Rome, is he not speaking on behalf of God, as the Vicar of Christ?
     
  15. Gforce9

    Gforce9 Puritan Board Junior

    He is not speaking authoritatively or, as you say, "for God" all the time, regardless of the topic, but only when it is deemed "ex cathedra". This gives Catholics a back door when someone like Francis speaks foolishly.
     
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  16. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Doctor

    Thanks, as I did not know that the Pope is not considered to be infallible unless under certain situations.
     
  17. Romans922

    Romans922 Puritan Board Professor

    He is the antichrist, what do you expect?
     
  18. greenbaggins

    greenbaggins Administrator Staff Member

    This guy is one of the two very best commentators on Roman Catholicism alive today, the other being Gregg Allison.
     
  19. Haeralis

    Haeralis Puritan Board Freshman

    I'd include Dr. James White in that list, but yeah, I agree that all of those men know their stuff. Leonardo De Chirico has a great online resource named VaticanFiles.

    I just a few minutes ago had a depressing discussion with an Arminian "Protestant" who believed that Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy were different "flavors" of Christianity but are equally true and not substantively different from classical Protestantism. Why did he think this? Because in his view the "Gospel" is just an ethical code of moral living. It seems like once you abandon monergism for any kind of synergism, Arminian or otherwise, you really lose the ground to oppose the Church of Rome. This person's theology was more similar to Erasmus than to any of the Reformers. Hopefully he has a personal relationship with Christ and just doesn't really understand what that means doctrinally speaking.
     
  20. Gforce9

    Gforce9 Puritan Board Junior

    When he waves his magic wand and sits in the Lazy Boy, he's official!:judge:
     
  21. Edward

    Edward Puritan Board Doctor

    It's my recollection that Benedict, not Francis, was a key player at Vatican II, and that Francis is betraying Benedict's work, not embodying it. Francis would have been about 26 when VII kicked off.

    I'd identify Francis more with Liberation Theology rather than Vatican II theology, although he invokes VII to justify his actions.
     
  22. Gforce9

    Gforce9 Puritan Board Junior

    Check out the video. Leonardo di Chirico makes the case that V II included both.....
     
  23. dtaylor3

    dtaylor3 Puritan Board Freshman

    This is no surprise considering what we have seen from this pope in his time in office.

    This is precisely why the church was never setup biblically to follow one man, but rather sola Scriptura!
     
  24. Gforce9

    Gforce9 Puritan Board Junior

    The famous answer when it's time to back-pedal and cause a diversion after a public foot-in-mouth event.
     
  25. hammondjones

    hammondjones Puritan Board Sophomore

    Next time I play golf, I'm not taking a mulligan, I'm taking a francis.
     
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  26. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

  27. Dachaser

    Dachaser Puritan Board Doctor

    The Pope affirmed that Satan exists, but where is his take on hell here?
     
  28. Tom Hart

    Tom Hart Puritan Board Junior

    I found that to be curiously absent also, going by the news article alone. I didn't read through the actual document.
     
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