PCA 2009 GA Overtures #5 and #10

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Romans922

Puritan Board Professor
James River Presbytery and now Susquehanna Valley Presbytery have overtured the PCA GA to appoint a study committee on the role of women using the exact same overture.

This seems PC(USA)-ish in tactic doesn't it?

I'm a conspiracy theorist. :)
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WarrenInSC

Puritan Board Freshman
"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you", the noted philosopher Mel Gibson said in his movie "Conspiracy Theory".:detective:

On a more analytically conspiratorial note, have you noticed any subtle trend of folks who stayed in the PCUSA forever until they finally gave it up over the homosexual issue, then come to the PCA with all the other baggage that should have been left behind (women's ordination, inter-religion social service affiliations, etc.)?
 

Classical Presbyterian

Puritan Board Junior
That's the way the system works though. Any presbytery can overture when they choose to. Yes, that's what the revisionists do in the PC(USA), but if you don't like it in the PCA I think you'll have to alter your constitution.
 

DMcFadden

Puritanboard Commissioner
On a more analytically conspiratorial note, have you noticed any subtle trend of folks who stayed in the PCUSA forever until they finally gave it up over the homosexual issue, then come to the PCA with all the other baggage that should have been left behind (women's ordination, inter-religion social service affiliations, etc.)?
Warren, you steely-eyed-missile-man of the PB, you! Your observations are spot on about the tendency in all of the breakaway groups from major denoms. My group broke away from the ABC with the proverbial straw breaking the camel's back over homosexual ordination. But, with that minor genetic mutation, they are quite similar to the ABC DNA in most other respects. You put into words what I have observed in my group and suspect will be the case in other breakaway renewal groups from the major mainlines.

Those in the PCA who are recent expats from the PCUSA will likely carry a lot of mainline assumptions, attitudes, and doctrinal views, many of them unconsciously.
 

Classical Presbyterian

Puritan Board Junior
On a more analytically conspiratorial note, have you noticed any subtle trend of folks who stayed in the PCUSA forever until they finally gave it up over the homosexual issue, then come to the PCA with all the other baggage that should have been left behind (women's ordination, inter-religion social service affiliations, etc.)?
Warren, you steely-eyed-missile-man of the PB, you! Your observations are spot on about the tendency in all of the breakaway groups from major denoms. My group broke away from the ABC with the proverbial straw breaking the camel's back over homosexual ordination. But, with that minor genetic mutation, they are quite similar to the ABC DNA in most other respects. You put into words what I have observed in my group and suspect will be the case in other breakaway renewal groups from the major mainlines.

Those in the PCA who are recent expats from the PCUSA will likely carry a lot of mainline assumptions, attitudes, and doctrinal views, many of them unconsciously.
Exactly so, Dennis! Any refugees from the mainline being accepted into evangelical denominations had better be not only well vetted but also trained. Think of it as Liberal Abuse Detox!
 

Brian Withnell

Puritan Board Junior
James River Presbytery and now Susquehanna Valley Presbytery have overtured the PCA GA to appoint a study committee on the role of women using the exact same overture.

This seems PC(USA)-ish in tactic doesn't it?

I'm a conspiracy theorist. :)
Presbyterian Church in America
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I remember helping start three PCA churches. What I'm hoping is that this isn't part of "church growth" and "relevance" that seems to be sweeping the newer churches. When churches are more interested in growth than purity, they will grow like any other mold. If purity (including all those attributes of God that are just not "popular") is first, growth will happen if God is calling men to himself where the church is located. When the same overtures comes up multiple times proposing change to liberal positions the only thing that can be going on is the liberal factions must be thinking they are gaining ground. Look carefully at your seminary if that is happening. (Where are the pastors being taught this stuff? Why are those that hold to liberal positions getting through seminary without being filtered out?)
 

WarrenInSC

Puritan Board Freshman
Suggested Alternative Overture Committee Report

It seems these Overtures are getting primetime billing on ByFaithOnline now so I'd like to humbly suggest a possible alternative report for the Overtures Committee when it responds:

Point 1) Wide reaching 'Study Committee's' on broad issues like the role of women in the church are not the purpose of GA established Study Committees. The proposed Study Committee is more like a fishing expedition.

Point 2) A Presbytery, or a group of Presbyteries of like concern, can get together anytime and create their own Study Committee that can come up with specific recommendations, then put them in the form of an Overture to petition GA to change the BCO anyway they think best. Then the specific proposals can be tested by the Brothers and Fathers at GA.

Point 3) Such resulting Overtures / recommendations should NOT include anything to do with the ordination of women, or any wink-wink nod-nod immitation like 'installation' or whatever. Go join the PCUSA or EPC if you want to do that. This should NOT be about ordination or 'titles'.

Point 4) It would be instructive to the church as a whole if such Presbytery level study committees would creat a SPECIFIC LIST of PCA polity and practice that prevents women from serving their proper role in the church. Maybe we can get down to brass tacks that way instead of endless vague overtures to GA.
 
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