A.Joseph
Puritan Board Senior
Here’s the guy that got the ball rolling (Wesley Hill@wesleyhill)…..and a few of his RTs
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Overtures from PCA GA 2021 have failed to pass 2/3rds of the presbyteries.
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That is some of the best advice I have heard. I admit I was kind of being flippant about the good Dr leaving to the RPCNA. I apologize.
A.Joseph
Puritan Board Senior
Wesley Hill, who is essentially the founder of Side-B, seems to be an admirer (see his retweet). Sound doctrine matters.
RamistThomist
Puritanboard Clerk
I've read through four volumes of Barth, including his volume on ethics, as well as some of his leading interpreters (all of whom would probably be friendly to "side-B" stuff). We just don't have any evidence that Barth was side-B. That issue wasn't debated. His sexual sins were of a more heterosexual nature (and that is well-documented).
To be clear, I'm not necessarily faulting anyone who has left the PCA nor saying none of the reasons were good for leaving the PCA over the years. I left the PCA before I was back in it (Kerry-esque I know) and I left before Frank did so I'm certainly not faulting him when he left for his reasons (before that I thought he was one of those who'd turn out the lights as the last real presbyterians left the pca). There's always been a lot not to like about the PCA from the standpoint of biblical Reformed Presbyterianism.
therussellhome
Puritan Board Freshman
Being newish to the PCA and confessionalism this thread has been concerning to read. While I can be glad my presbytery voted in favor I also note it was far from unamious. What has me on increased edge is my church is searching for a senior pastor.
Any advice for me, as a lay member, to address my concerns* with the session and pastor search committee?
* Not just on these overtures but (as mentioned) also violations (and failure to teach) the 2nd and 4th commandments
I'm currently on my church's search committee for a replacement for the pastor who wants to retire. You may want to ask the session in some other way, but I would ask someone on the PC if you could submit questions to the PC for consideration to ask the prospective candidates or ask to be sure that the PC is going to ask candidates about if they take any of the usual exceptions like on images of Christ, the recreations clause w.r.t. the Lord's Day, and if they are drilling down on Revoice, CRT and other issues in their questions for candidates. The PC if it is separate from the case where it is the session itself, is called by the church; so in that case approach the PC directly; otherwise ask an elder. Our PC spent considerably effort drafting a questionnaire in a attempt to cover all these concerns and make sure we are getting strictly confessional candidates. In an older thread folks asked if our questions were available to other PCs to make use of. I have asked and have clearance to share our questionnaire with any that ask me who want to make use of them for PCs.
therussellhome
Puritan Board Freshman
I found a few threads with various complaints against Tim Keller's theology. Is there any threads or sites with a better summary to help me understand "Tim Kelleresque"?
therussellhome
Puritan Board Freshman
Thank you, sir, for your quick reply. Can I get a copy?
Yes; message me (via Conversations upper right next to username) your email and I'll send. Specify if doc format is okay or not.
Ed Walsh
Puritan Board Senior
Well said. In my humble opinion
JimmyH
Puritan Board Senior
In the Orthodox Presbyterian church, Book of Church Order
Members may be received by a letter of transfer from an-
other church of like faith and practice approved by the session. The
session may examine the candidate for membership to assure itself
so far as possible that he possesses the knowledge requisite for active
faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, relies for salvation on the work of
Christ alone, is trusting Christ for salvation, and is determined by
the grace of God to lead a Christian life. The session shall acquire
jurisdiction over him by virtue of its vote of reception and his public
profession of faith before the congregation according to the Direc-
tory for the Public Worship of God, Chapter IV, Section D, and at
that time he shall be invested with all the rights and privileges of
membership therein,
There is considerably more detailed info beginning on page 156. See the PDF link above from the OPC website.
The Orthodox Presbyterian Church
We're the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. Our purpose is simple: to bring glory to God through our churches and individual lives to make known to the world the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ
www.opc.org
There are 4 OPC congregations active in Missouri. I'm not sure how close they may be to your location, but the website shows their location and contact info.
OPC is confessional.
A.Joseph
Puritan Board Senior
I’m not drawing a direct correlation.
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A.Joseph
Puritan Board Senior
“as well as some of his leading interpreters (all of whom would probably be friendly to "side-B" stuff)”…. That’s all I meant. Sorry for the misunderstanding!!! I didn’t mean anything further. Just a more liberal bent.
A.Joseph
Puritan Board Senior
CovenantWord
Puritan Board Freshman
Thank you, brother, not least for causing me to think more deeply about the process I am engaged in. I am requesting this local PCA session, as authoritative representation of Christ's Church, to grant me permission to commune at the Lord's Table and to commit themselves to exercise regular pastoral care over me and my family, including disciplining us, as needed. In support of this application, I am prepared to testify that I have been baptized by a Christian church, that I recognize that I am a sinner, that my only hope is Christ's redemption, that I believe the Bible is the only final revealed spiritual authority, that I am prepared to submit in good faith to session's spiritual oversight, and that I promise to be faithful in attendance at public worship and to exercise my spiritual gifts for the good of Christ's Church, particularly in this congregation. I plan also to request a letter of dismissal from my previous denomination, a sister of the PCA, evidencing I am currently a member there in good standing. In response to this application, it is this session's duty to assure itself that my profession of faith is credible, i.e., that my words and actions comport with my profession. It is common for OPC and PCA sessions to discharge this responsibility by means of an "inquirer's class," lasting several weeks, wherein a representative of session covers the basics of church doctrine, responsibilities of membership, and briefly outlines presbyterian governance. This class also serves as a time when the inquirer may raise questions. In the case of dismissal from a sister denomination, applicants are to "give a testimony of Christian experience to Session" and thereafter "[t]heir names are to be announced to the congregation with a recommendation of them to its Christian confidence and affection" (PCA FoG 57-6, https://www.pcaac.org/bco/).
SavedSinner
Puritan Board Freshman
He hung out with Stalinists in East Berlin, so he had a big influence on the central committee of the communist party. Barthianism became the religion of the state protestant church in Soviet-occupied E Germany with the 1960s policy of "Church in Socialism". Yet reformed seminaries in the US still study him. Like Bonhoeffer, read him in different languages and he "says" different things; always sounds better in English.
Romans678
Puritan Board Freshman
Here's a different (and optimistic) perspective regarding the latest happenings in the PCA by Ryan Biese, who says that the 2021 GA, despite the failure to obtain the 2/3rds majority needed for overtures 23 and 37, "represented a clear rejection of the broad, progressive, wing of the General Assembly."
The Rise and Fall of the Presbycrats
Something to consider...
The Rise and Fall of the Presbycrats
Something to consider...
RamistThomist
Puritanboard Clerk
What documents do you have that showed he was instrumental on the central committee of the communist Party in Berlin? The only one I know of is where he publicly denied any desire to live under Communism (Barth, Karl. "No Angels of Darkness and Light", The Christian Century, 20 January 1960, pp. 72 ff.).
I have no love for Karl Barth, but I never thought he was a doctrinaire communist.
SavedSinner
Puritan Board Freshman
I do not remember, but there is very little in English, so it would be in German and I looked through downloaded files and have not found it. On the internet, keyword would be "die Kirche im Sozialismus". State "peoples own enterprise" (VEB) publishing houses started printing dialectical theology books, Luther became a great precursor hero of the marxists, along with Bonhoeffer. I think sermons on both sides sounded about the same---barthian or liberal, you had to go to an independent free church to actually hear the gospel.
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