New Group Demands Apology from Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood
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FenderPriest
Puritan Board Junior
Is it really an apology if it's demanded? I'm always left bewildered by these sort of things.
On other news, N.T. Wright humorously commented once, "For some reason Feminist theologians never want to make Satan a woman."
On other news, N.T. Wright humorously commented once, "For some reason Feminist theologians never want to make Satan a woman."
Laura
Puritan Board Junior
From the BWE website, be sure to check out the brilliant interpretation of the Danvers Statement by Ms Shirley Taylor, "What the Danvers Statement REALLY Means." Put on your thinking caps before you read it, it's heavy stuff (her comments in bold).
1. The widespread uncertainty and confusion in our culture regarding the complementary
differences between masculinity and femininity; The Equality for women movement
is gaining ground and we must stop it.
2. the tragic effects of this confusion in unraveling the fabric of marriage woven by God out
of the beautiful and diverse strands of manhood and womanhood; Women are ruining
marriages.
3. the increasing promotion given to feminist egalitarianism with accompanying distortions or
neglect of the glad harmony portrayed in Scripture between the loving, humble leadership
of redeemed husbands and the intelligent, willing support of that leadership by redeemed
wives; Women are tired of hearing about submission and are beginning to speak
up.
4. the widespread ambivalence regarding the values of motherhood, vocational homemaking,
and the many ministries historically performed by women; Women’s place is in the
home and not in the workplace or church leadership.
5. the growing claims of legitimacy for sexual relationships which have Biblically and
historically been considered illicit or perverse, and the increase in pornographic portrayal
of human sexuality; Equality for women will lead to homosexuality. The Apostle
Paul didn’t link women with homosexuality, but we do.
6. the upsurge of physical and emotional abuse in the family; Women are being abused
because they are not graciously submitting.
7. the emergence of roles for men and women in church leadership that do not conform to
Biblical teaching but backfire in the crippling of Biblically faithful witness; Women can’t
have authority over men. The rest of the sentence doesn’t make sense, but
women are to blame, anyway.
8. the increasing prevalence and acceptance of hermeneutical oddities devised to reinterpret
apparently plain meanings of Biblical texts; Those scriptures may not mean what the
English plain reading of them says it does, but we must ignore other possible
meanings of these favorite scriptures.
9. the consequent threat to Biblical authority as the clarity of Scripture is jeopardized and the
accessibility of its meaning to ordinary people is withdrawn into the restricted realm of
technical ingenuity; When ordinary people see “husband of one wife” they
immediately think that a woman can’t be a husband, so this eliminates a woman
from serving as a deacon or Pastor. Actually this scripture states a moral
standard for the leaders and their families and doesn’t address gender at all. But
they don’t want you to know that.
10. and behind all this the apparent accommodation of some within the church to the spirit of
the age at the expense of winsome, radical Biblical authenticity which in the power of the
Holy Spirit may reform rather than reflect our ailing culture. Say what?
At the end she simply says, "Jesus is not quoted in any of the scriptures they give in this document." ...I guess that fits with the liberal view of Scripture merely containing the Word of God (divinely inspired parts to be determined by such capable theologians as Ms. Taylor). So sad.
1. The widespread uncertainty and confusion in our culture regarding the complementary
differences between masculinity and femininity; The Equality for women movement
is gaining ground and we must stop it.
2. the tragic effects of this confusion in unraveling the fabric of marriage woven by God out
of the beautiful and diverse strands of manhood and womanhood; Women are ruining
marriages.
3. the increasing promotion given to feminist egalitarianism with accompanying distortions or
neglect of the glad harmony portrayed in Scripture between the loving, humble leadership
of redeemed husbands and the intelligent, willing support of that leadership by redeemed
wives; Women are tired of hearing about submission and are beginning to speak
up.
4. the widespread ambivalence regarding the values of motherhood, vocational homemaking,
and the many ministries historically performed by women; Women’s place is in the
home and not in the workplace or church leadership.
5. the growing claims of legitimacy for sexual relationships which have Biblically and
historically been considered illicit or perverse, and the increase in pornographic portrayal
of human sexuality; Equality for women will lead to homosexuality. The Apostle
Paul didn’t link women with homosexuality, but we do.
6. the upsurge of physical and emotional abuse in the family; Women are being abused
because they are not graciously submitting.
7. the emergence of roles for men and women in church leadership that do not conform to
Biblical teaching but backfire in the crippling of Biblically faithful witness; Women can’t
have authority over men. The rest of the sentence doesn’t make sense, but
women are to blame, anyway.
8. the increasing prevalence and acceptance of hermeneutical oddities devised to reinterpret
apparently plain meanings of Biblical texts; Those scriptures may not mean what the
English plain reading of them says it does, but we must ignore other possible
meanings of these favorite scriptures.
9. the consequent threat to Biblical authority as the clarity of Scripture is jeopardized and the
accessibility of its meaning to ordinary people is withdrawn into the restricted realm of
technical ingenuity; When ordinary people see “husband of one wife” they
immediately think that a woman can’t be a husband, so this eliminates a woman
from serving as a deacon or Pastor. Actually this scripture states a moral
standard for the leaders and their families and doesn’t address gender at all. But
they don’t want you to know that.
10. and behind all this the apparent accommodation of some within the church to the spirit of
the age at the expense of winsome, radical Biblical authenticity which in the power of the
Holy Spirit may reform rather than reflect our ailing culture. Say what?
At the end she simply says, "Jesus is not quoted in any of the scriptures they give in this document." ...I guess that fits with the liberal view of Scripture merely containing the Word of God (divinely inspired parts to be determined by such capable theologians as Ms. Taylor). So sad.
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SemperEruditio
Puritan Board Junior
Well after remembering about a few discussions and now Taylors response I gotta say that while I dislike this type of feminist hermeneutic as it were there is a reality to this. I believe there are still many households which do not have a true Biblical man heading the household and that some of those men are pastors. There are a lot of abuses that are still going on in the name of maintaining a "biblical" marriage. I hate to read Taylor's response and do not believe anything but the power of Jesus will change her heart but I don't believe we should just so casually throw the spirit of her comments out as the blathering of a fool. Men in the Church have abused scripture and become dictators in their homes ruling with an iron fist of fear. As with race in the US, the issue has not gone away it simply has been domesticated and not talked about in polite company. Men have and continue to abuse their families and we do a disservice if we behave as if this isn't going on. I believe this Council is trying to address that.
I do believe that Taylor and her group are trying to get attention. However I also believe that we need to be careful about how we or perhaps "they out there somewhere" are quick to mention how there are Biblical roles for men and women but it is merely a cover for their belief that women are in fact the inferior creation. I don't know anyone here personally, well one or two of you, but for the rest I don't so don't take it personal. I don't think this group has a legitimate argument against Duncan but I also don't believe because of past wounds they are able to see or hear what the CBMW is trying to do. All that being said I would just encourage us's to keep each other in prayer and for God to change the hearts of those men and women who are abusing their spouses to stop, repent, and return to God and a true biblical manhood and womanhood.
I do believe that Taylor and her group are trying to get attention. However I also believe that we need to be careful about how we or perhaps "they out there somewhere" are quick to mention how there are Biblical roles for men and women but it is merely a cover for their belief that women are in fact the inferior creation. I don't know anyone here personally, well one or two of you, but for the rest I don't so don't take it personal. I don't think this group has a legitimate argument against Duncan but I also don't believe because of past wounds they are able to see or hear what the CBMW is trying to do. All that being said I would just encourage us's to keep each other in prayer and for God to change the hearts of those men and women who are abusing their spouses to stop, repent, and return to God and a true biblical manhood and womanhood.
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Reformed Baptist
Puritan Board Sophomore
Never read the Danver's Statement before. I read it because of this post/article. I like it. It's biblcial. This woman is spittin' in the wind.
LawrenceU
Puritan Board Doctor
Yep.
Reformed Baptist
Puritan Board Sophomore
lol
This is textbook deconstructionism. When you view the world from the standpoint that man is the measure of all things, this is what you're logically left with. I know it seems strange but her response is actually a good way to see how deconstruction works.
Notice how the original intent or meaning of the author is pushed off the platform and the normative rule for interpreting the document becomes the interpreter's deconstruction. All the statements are viewed with the idea that the words are being used to exert power over women and her goal is to demonstrate what the words really mean and not what the words were intended to mean.
My own deconstruction of her words leads me to believe that she completely agrees with the article.
BobVigneault
Bawberator
I don't know who that group is but they sure are cute when they're angry. No I'm just kidding.... actually, they're probably so uncomely that it takes two men and a boy just to look at them. Ok, that was just mean.
Fly Caster
Puritan Board Sophomore
Silly Women.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
SolaScriptura
Puritanboard Brimstone
No... it was FUNNY!
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