[quote:9908b7e0ab][i:9908b7e0ab]Originally posted by johnny_redeemed[/i:9908b7e0ab]
what verses do you think are good at showing that the sign gifts are done away with? [/quote:9908b7e0ab]
I can think of a number of passages that show that it is reasonable to agree with the testimony of the church that the gifts have 'virtually diminshed' and are not regulative for the entire church age. Those passages have already been discussed. Let me just say that if we were to go on 'Bible Alone', we would never end up at a full-cessationalist (meaning that the gifts could [i:9908b7e0ab]never[/i:9908b7e0ab] happen again) position. People such as McArthur have sad arguments for the case. Verses such as 1 Cor. 13:8-10 does NOT prove anything about cessationalism for the present age, except that the gifts are not needed forever. Even when I was a full-cessationalist, I didn't agree with the cess. interpretation of that verse.
The only thing I say is that the testimony and history of the church has unanimously decided that the revelatory gifts are not in use like they were during the apostolic age. And then I point to the Ephesians passage that the foundation has already been laid. For any body to contradict that, they are schismatics.
Rembrandt
what verses do you think are good at showing that the sign gifts are done away with? [/quote:9908b7e0ab]
I can think of a number of passages that show that it is reasonable to agree with the testimony of the church that the gifts have 'virtually diminshed' and are not regulative for the entire church age. Those passages have already been discussed. Let me just say that if we were to go on 'Bible Alone', we would never end up at a full-cessationalist (meaning that the gifts could [i:9908b7e0ab]never[/i:9908b7e0ab] happen again) position. People such as McArthur have sad arguments for the case. Verses such as 1 Cor. 13:8-10 does NOT prove anything about cessationalism for the present age, except that the gifts are not needed forever. Even when I was a full-cessationalist, I didn't agree with the cess. interpretation of that verse.
The only thing I say is that the testimony and history of the church has unanimously decided that the revelatory gifts are not in use like they were during the apostolic age. And then I point to the Ephesians passage that the foundation has already been laid. For any body to contradict that, they are schismatics.
Rembrandt