Michael Horton - A Systematic Theology for Pilgrim's on the Way

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  1. Jared

    Jared Puritan Board Freshman

    I just received Michael Horton's Systematic Theology. I've been waiting months to start reading it. I'm looking forward to reading the sections on covenant theology because I haven't heard covenant theology taught very clearly. Usually I have heard someone's perspective on it who was not a covenant theologian.

    I know it's unfair that I have his systematic theology before it came out. I'm sorry. The local Christian bookstore here in town tends to sell stuff before its release date. I'm not complaining.
  2. BlackCalvinist

    BlackCalvinist Puritan Board Senior

    I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hambur...er....copy of that SysTheo today. :)
  3. Jack K

    Jack K Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    Well then, give us a review within the next six days so we know whether or not to order a copy while it's still 45% off at Westminster Bookstore. I've been on the fence—to buy or not to buy—since their promo email arrived in my in-box this morning.

    Update: It looks like you can still place orders but might not get the book until late February due to "overwhelming demand." I guess I snoozed and losed.
  4. Alex Stophel

    Alex Stophel Inactive User

    It looks like you can get it on Kindle right now. It's the same price as the hardback, though... Which is unusual for Kindle. Perhaps it will go down after the release.
  5. CharlieJ

    CharlieJ Puritan Board Junior

    I'm a bit put out by this statement: "The most important systematic theology since Louis Berkhof's 1932 magnum opus." Is that really a responsible thing for a publisher to say?
  6. Jared

    Jared Puritan Board Freshman

    Well, I've been on the fence between classical premillenialism and amillenialism for a while now. But, I had still been leaning toward premillenialism. But through reading Horton's systematic, I think I might be leaning toward amillenialism a lee leetle more, but I'm still undecided.

    Those of you who are familiar with Horton, do you think he's a good representative of covenant theology?
  7. SRoper

    SRoper Puritan Board Senior

    I believe that Horton holds to republication of the covenant of works, which, as I understand, is not representative of all who hold to the reformed confessions.
  8. Jack K

    Jack K Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    Sounds like overblown marketing talk. Part hype and part an indication of what segment of the Christian market they hope to appeal to. You can learn some true things about what sort of book it is (in this case, that's it's likely to appeal to those raised on Berkhof) if you discount the part that's hype. Maybe ten years from now we'll be able to judge whether or not that statement is true. Given Horton's following, the book probably does have the potential to become what they claim.
  9. Jared

    Jared Puritan Board Freshman

    Does anyone know whether or not it would be legal for me to post quotations from the book since it technically hasn't been released yet?
  10. westminken

    westminken Puritan Board Freshman

    Probably not. Wait a few days to be on the safe side
  11. Michael

    Michael Puritan Board Senior

    Nice try but I'm not falling for it, Jared. Lemme guess, you probably have the Verizon iPhone already too. Sure buddy. Whatever.

  12. Jared

    Jared Puritan Board Freshman

    Actually, I just have the iPhone 3GS from AT&T.

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    I would say that using spiritual gifts on the forum is unconfessional and therefore a violation of the rules of the board. But since you got some of the details wrong that would make you a false prophet.
  13. Jesus is my friend

    Jesus is my friend Puritan Board Junior

    Well,I would really like to find out how Horton's book is,but I dont have Berkhof's yet, so I reckon now would be a time to order that and work through that,I should thank Horton's publisher for the recommendation.
  14. TomVols

    TomVols Puritan Board Freshman

    Oh....is JB gonna hear it from me! I hope he does the same with Gregg Allison's Historical Theology

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    After I added a couple others to my order, it was cheaper for me to go with CBD. Maybe it will ship sooner than WTS Books will.
  15. CIT

    CIT Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    CBD says this...

  16. Backwoods Presbyterian

    Backwoods Presbyterian Puritan Board Doctor

    Absurd marketing makes my stomach turn sour.

    So what you are saying Zondervan is that Douglas Kelly and Richard Gamble's Sys Theo's are worthless. Nice.
  17. Marrow Man

    Marrow Man Drunk with Powder

    This ST is superior because it's got "Pilgrims" in the title. Those guys can't possible compete with that.

    Of course, I'm not sure I'd want my magnum opus to be compared with Church Dogmatics ...
  18. Michael Doyle

    Michael Doyle Puritan Board Junior

    I am halfway through it on my Kindle and to be perfectly honest, I am finding it quite worth the price and beyond. He is a very brilliant theologian in In my humble opinion. If you don't like him then don't buy it. I believe as a tremendous asset to the reformed community and reformed thought, as well as a good brother in Christ, charity is in order.
  19. Andres

    Andres Puritan Board Doctor

    :amen: I don't have the book yet, but I will ask for it for my birthday in March. Ever since I came into the Reformed faith, Horton has been one of my favorite teachers. Seems like he's been getting quite a bit of flack lately, but I still maintain the utmost respect for him and consider him a favorite of mine.
  20. Backwoods Presbyterian

    Backwoods Presbyterian Puritan Board Doctor

    My problem is not with Michael Horton but frankly irresponsible marketing.
  21. VictorBravo

    VictorBravo Administrator Staff Member

    Not worthless, brother. Just not quite as important. . . .
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  22. SolaGratia

    SolaGratia Puritan Board Junior

  23. Michael Doyle

    Michael Doyle Puritan Board Junior

    I doubt you are saying this had anything to do with Horton concerning the marketing, but for the sake of this conversation, here is his remarks concerning those proclamations:
    This interview can be found here
    Interview with Michael Horton on ‘The Christian Faith’ - TGC Reviews
  24. Andres

    Andres Puritan Board Doctor

    I wasn't refering to you as a critic of Horton brother. My apologies. I agree with you that the little byline is silly. It seems Horton thinks so too!
  25. bookslover

    bookslover Puritan Board Professor

    No need to take that statement seriously. Remember, the publisher is peddling books - so it's his job to make outlandish statements! Somebody in the PR department probably dreamed that one up. I'll say, though, that Horton won't be as boring as Berkhof, that's for sure. Berkhof's theology is excellent, of course, but it's a real snoozefest to read...

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    First, Berkhof, now Barth. Of course, given Barth's theology, it couldn't help but be better than Barth's. That's setting the bar pretty low!
  26. Ask Mr. Religion

    Ask Mr. Religion Flatly Unflappable Staff Member

    I am looking forward to reviews of the book by those here that have read it.

  27. kodos

    kodos Puritan Board Junior

    I am currently reading it (bought the Kindle edition) - it is very good thus far. Warning: I've only ever read Grudem's Systematic Theology (and I have had a few issues with it, particularly his treatment on the millennium - but overall I found his work quite helpful for a layperson such as myself).

    Horton's work has a lots of overtones of Biblical and Historical Theology. His emphasis on Covenant Theology is apparent (I'm also reading his book "God of Promise: An Introduction to Covenant Theology"). It's easy to read, very engaging and while I haven't read Berkhof's work - I think it is a cut above Grudem's. I also appreciate the fact that Horton comes from a Confessional perspective.

    He also deals with a lot of modern issues like the NPP in his chapter on Justification. So for that reason alone, it's nice to have a more up-to-date book. Again, by no means a comprehensive review(!) - but just a quick surface level examination on my part.

    I'm glad I bought it.
  28. cih1355

    cih1355 Puritan Board Junior

    I ordered the book and I'm looking forward to reading it.
  29. greenbaggins

    greenbaggins Administrator Staff Member

    Don't forget Reymond. Oh, and Bavinck, Turretin and a'Brakel were also published after Berkhof (in translation, of course). I wouldn't call Gamble a Systematic Theology, though. It is an attempt at an entire theological-encyclopedic treatment of Scripture, fully integrating ST, BT, and HT.
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