LC Q32 - "Freely Provideth And Offereth To Sinners"

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I'm new to the Westminster Standards, having recently affirmed the truth of Covenant Theology (children of believers included). Newly Presbyterian by conviction, I picked up Robert Reymond's Systematic Theology. I was disappointed to read where he denies the "well-meant offer". My question is this: If the doctrine of reprobation logically precludes any genuine desire on God's part for the salvation of those decreed thus and does not genuinely extend an invitation for them to repent and believe the gospel because no provision was made for them in Christ's atonement....

1. How does this square with the Westminster LC Q32's answer stating "provideth and offereth to sinners a Mediator"? It seems the atonement, though strictly particular to the elect of God, is still genuinely offered to the reprobate and "Christ is dead for them."

2. For those Highest Calvinists (Hyper?) who believe the "free offer" does not imply a "well meant offer", how do you view the children of believers who fall away? Does God not love them and desire their salvation?
 
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Samuel Rutherford: "The mind of Arminians. Arminians run upon six universalities. 1. They say, God beareth to all, and every man, of what kind soever, an equal, universal, and catholic good-will; yea, to Esau, Pharaoh, Judas, as to Jacob, Moses, and Peter, to save them all."

It is only high or hyper Calvinism from the perspective of Arminianism. Otherwise it is simply Calvinism.

Jacob and Esau were children of Isaac, and so children of the covenant. The apostle proves unconditional election of individual persons by reference to them. Therefore election must be applied to covenant children as to anyone else.
 
Samuel Rutherford: "The mind of Arminians. Arminians run upon six universalities. 1. They say, God beareth to all, and every man, of what kind soever, an equal, universal, and catholic good-will; yea, to Esau, Pharaoh, Judas, as to Jacob, Moses, and Peter, to save them all."

It is only high or hyper Calvinism from the perspective of Arminianism. Otherwise it is simply Calvinism.

Jacob and Esau were children of Isaac, and so children of the covenant. The apostle proves unconditional election of individual persons by reference to them. Therefore election must be applied to covenant children as to anyone else.
Rutherford’s quote seems to address the Arminian view that there is a universal saving will which has nothing to do with a “well meant offer”. The internet is replete with quotes of him defending my position. Surprising you would quote him. Regarding Esau, was he a child of the New Covenant?
 
Rutherford’s quote seems to address the Arminian view that there is a universal saving will which has nothing to do with a “well meant offer”. The internet is replete with quotes of him defending my position. Surprising you would quote him. Regarding Esau, was he a child of the New Covenant?

The "well meant offer" posits that God has a will to save all men, i.e., a universal saving will. Rutherford's writings are replete with statements to refute it.

Rutherford: "Hence the promises of the gospel are indefinite, not universal, and in the Lord's purpose and intention made with the elect only, not with the reprobate at all; for when God saith, If Judas, Cain, Pharaoh, believe, they shall be saved, the Lord's purpose being to deny to them the grace of believing, without which it is unpossible they can believe, the promise in God's purpose is not made with them: he that so willeth what he promiseth, upon a condition, which he that so willeth only can do and work, and yet will not do or work the condition: he doth indeed not will to the party, what is so promised.

The "well meant offer" claims the promises of the gospel are universal, not indefinite, contrary to Rutherford.

The "new" covenant has nothing to do with it. The argument for "children of the covenant" is based on the substance of the covenant being the same.
 
I have always associated a “universal saving will” with the Arminian view of an unlimited atonement making men “savable”. I’m not sure I like that language, but regardless, the gospel offers genuine is freely offered and well meant. My question was regarding the WLC but this excerpt from Rutherford’s “Christ Dying and Drawing Sinners to Himself” seems quite clear. Pulled this from Free Church of Scotland website.

Samuel Rutherford (1600-1661):
God’s serious and unfeigned ardency of desire that we do what is our duty

(Christ Dying and Drawing Sinners to Himselfe, London 1647, pp. 443-45 [irregular pagination: colophon lll2-lll3] and 440-42 [colophon: Kkk4-Lll1])
Rutherford observes that objections justly raised against the deficient Arminian view of God’s decree are not pertinent respecting God’s revealed will, because it does not purpose to effectuate anything.

It’s much worthy of observation, how that sweet evangelic invitation is conceived, Isa. 55:1, Ho, everyone that thirsts, come to the waters, and he that hath no silver, come buy, and eat: as if the Lord were grieved, and said, Woe is me, Alas that thirsty souls should die in their thirst, and will not come to the water of life, Christ, and drink gratis, freely, and live. For the interjection, Ho, is a mark of sorrowing, as ah, or woe, everyone that thirsts. It expresseth two things, 1. A vehemency and a serious and unfeigned ardency of desire that we do what is our duty, and the concatenation of these two, extremely desired of God, our coming to Christ and our salvation. This moral connection between faith and salvation is desired of God with his will of approbation, complacency, and moral liking, without all dissimulation, most unfeignedly [margin: What the revealed will of God is]; and whereas Arminians say, we make counterfeit, feigned, and hypocritical desires in God, they calumniate and cavil egregiously, as their custom is. 2. The other thing expressed in these invitations is a sort of dislike, grief, or sorrow (it’s a speech borrowed from man, for there is no disappointing of the Lord’s will, nor sorrow in him for the not fulfilling of it), or an earnest nilling and hating dislike that these two should not go along, as approved efficaciously by us, to wit, the creature’s obedience of faith and life eternal. God loveth, approveth the believing of Jerusalem and of her children, as a moral duty, as the hen doth love to warm and nourish her chickens; and he hateth, with an exceeding and unfeigned dislike of improbation and hatred, their rebellious disobedience and refusing to be gathered: but there is no purpose, intention, or decree of God, holden forth in these invitations called his revealed will, by which he saith he intendeth and willeth that all he maketh the offer unto shall obey and be saved. But it’s to be observed, that the revealed will of God, holden forth to all, called voluntas signi, doth not hold forth formally that God intendeth, decreeth, or purposeth in his eternal council, that any man shall actually obey, either elect or reprobate; it formally is the expression only of the good liking of that moral and duty conjunction between the obedience of the creature and the reward, but holdeth forth not any intention or decree of God, that any shall obey, or that all shall obey, or that none at all shall obey.

And what Arminians say of Christ’s intention to die for all and every one, and of the Lord’s intention and catholic good will to save all and every one, to wit, that these desires may be in God though not any be saved at all, but all eternally perish, which maketh the Lord’s desires irrational, unwise, and frustraneous — that we say with good reason of God’s good will, called voluntas signi, it might have its complete and entire end and effect though not any one of men or angel obey, if there were not going along with this will of God another will, and eternal decree and purpose in God, or working by free grace in some chosen ones what the Lord willeth in his approving will.

Now this desire of approbation is an abundantly sufficient closing of the mouth of such as stumble at the gospel, being appointed thereunto, and an expression of Christ’s good liking to save sinners. Expressed in his borrowed wishes, Deut. 5:29. O that there were such a heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep my commandments. Ps. 81:13. O that my people had hearkened unto me, and Israel walked in my ways. Which wish, as relating to disobeying Israel, is a figure, or metaphor borrowed from men, but otherwise showeth how acceptable the duty is to God, how obligatory to the creature. But the Lord’s expostulations, Ezek. 18:31. Why will ye die, O house of Israel? Verse 32. For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dies. In the Lord’s crying to sinners, Prov. 1:20. Wisdom cries, she uttereth her voice in the streets. The word is to cry with strong shouting, either for joy, Ps. 81:2, or sorrow, Lam. 2:19, which expresseth Christ’s desire to save sinners.

[Margin: No lip-love, nor any empty love in God, but that which is effectual and real to work the good he desireth to the party loved.] We are hence taught to acknowledge no love to be in God which is not effectual in doing good to the creature; there is no lip-love, no raw well-wishing to the creature which God doth not make good. We know but three sorts of love that God has to the creature, all the three are like the fruitful womb; there is no miscarrying, no barrenness in the womb of divine love.

[Margin: A threefold love in God effectual.] He loves all that he has made, so far as to give them a being, to conserve them in being as long as he pleaseth. He had a desire to have sun, moon, stars, earth, heaven, sea, clouds, air. He created them out of the womb of love and out of goodness, and keeps them in being. He can hate nothing that he made.

There is a second love and mercy in God, by which he loves all men and angels, yea, even his enemies, makes the sun to shine on the unjust man as well as the just, and causeth dew and rain to fall on the orchard and fields of the bloody and deceitful man, whom the Lord abhors, as Christ teacheth us, Matt. 5:43-48. Nor doth God miscarry in this love. He desires the eternal being of damned angels and men; he sends the gospel to many reprobates, and invites them to repentance and with longanimity and forbearance suffereth pieces of froward dust to fill the measure of their iniquity, yet does not the Lord’s general love fall short of what he willeth to them.

[Margin: Christ’s love of election cannot miscarry.] There is a love of special election to glory; far less can God come short in the end of this love. For the work of redemption prospereth in the hands of Christ, even to the satisfaction of his soul; saving of sinners (all glory to the Lamb) is a thriving work and successful in Christ’s hands.
 
I have always associated a “universal saving will” with the Arminian view of an unlimited atonement making men “savable”. I’m not sure I like that language, but regardless, the gospel offers genuine is freely offered and well meant. My question was regarding the WLC but this excerpt from Rutherford’s “Christ Dying and Drawing Sinners to Himself” seems quite clear. Pulled this from Free Church of Scotland website.

This quotation only establishes the case against the "well-meant offer."

1st, "it formally is the expression only of the good liking of that moral and duty conjunction between the obedience of the creature and the reward, but holdeth forth not any intention or decree of God, that any shall obey, or that all shall obey, or that none at all shall obey."

The desire is limited to the moral duty; there is no desire for the futurition of the event. Those who teach the "well-meant offer" claim that God desires that all men might be saved, not simply as a duty, but as an event.

2nd, Rutherford plainly says that there is no love in God that is ineffectual. But the doctrine of the "well-meant offer" is that God loves the reprobate who will never be saved, thus teaching an ineffectual love in God.
 
Regarding your first point, moral duty and obligation do not negate the expostulations and crying to sinners Rutherford states "expresseth Christ's desire to save sinners"

"but otherwise showeth how acceptable the duty is to God, how obligatory to the creature. But the Lord’s expostulations, Ezek. 18:31. Why will ye die, O house of Israel? Verse 32. For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dies. In the Lord’s crying to sinners, Prov. 1:20. Wisdom cries, she uttereth her voice in the streets. The word is to cry with strong shouting, either for joy, Ps. 81:2, or sorrow, Lam. 2:19, which expresseth Christ’s desire to save sinners."



Regarding your second point, by stating no love is ineffectual, he is intimating this "second love" is real and not merely "lip-love". Though such "general love" is real and truly affectionate, it does not change what he ultimately decreed.

"There is a second love and mercy in God, by which he loves all men and angels, yea, even his enemies, makes the sun to shine on the unjust man as well as the just, and causeth dew and rain to fall on the orchard and fields of the bloody and deceitful man, whom the Lord abhors, as Christ teacheth us, Matt. 5:43-48. Nor doth God miscarry in this love. He desires the eternal being of damned angels and men; he sends the gospel to many reprobates, and invites them to repentance and with longanimity and forbearance suffereth pieces of froward dust to fill the measure of their iniquity, yet does not the Lord’s general love fall short of what he willeth to them."
 
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He makes clear statements that this desire is indefinite, not universal. To try to make him speak universally is to put words in his mouth. The sense in which Rutherford accepts a love in God for all men is not ineffectual. It accomplished everything it intends. It cannot therefore be applied to a desire to save all men, for such a desire must be ineffectual in the case of the reprobate. As Rutherford was a significant member of the Westminster Assembly he provides readers the orthodox sense in which the words of the Larger Catechism should be taken.
 
He makes clear statements that this desire is indefinite, not universal. To try to make him speak universally is to put words in his mouth. The sense in which Rutherford accepts a love in God for all men is not ineffectual. It accomplished everything it intends. It cannot therefore be applied to a desire to save all men, for such a desire must be ineffectual in the case of the reprobate. As Rutherford was a significant member of the Westminster Assembly he provides readers the orthodox sense in which the words of the Larger Catechism should be taken.
Rutherford affirms 3 types of love that “do not miscarry” meaning they accomplish what is intended.

"We know but three sorts of love that God has to the creature, all the three are like the fruitful womb; there is no miscarrying, no barrenness in the womb of divine love."

You are arguing that since such "general love" doesn't accomplish salvation, it is ineffectual and therefore erroneous. However, your reasoning is the exact opposite of Rutherford's logic below. He specifically states God has a general love for all men, that the reprobate are sent the gospel, and genuinely invited to repent. That they don't is no miscarriage of such love, and consistent with what he ultimately "willeth to them" by decree.

There is a second love and mercy in God, by which he loves all men and angels, yea, even his enemies, makes the sun to shine on the unjust man as well as the just, and causeth dew and rain to fall on the orchard and fields of the bloody and deceitful man, whom the Lord abhors, as Christ teacheth us, Matt. 5:43-48. Nor doth God miscarry in this love. He desires the eternal being of damned angels and men; he sends the gospel to many reprobates, and invites them to repentance and with longanimity and forbearance suffereth pieces of froward dust to fill the measure of their iniquity, yet does not the Lord’s general love fall short of what he willeth to them.
 
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What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: and that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? Romans 9:22-24

All this hangs on whether you think the longsuffering (v. 22) is borne out of malevolence or benevolence. Normally, longsuffering would imply benevolence. This aligns the direction of the text, as well, because wrath is better shown against those who have spurned benevolence. I'm not so sure how well righteous wrath is displayed against those who have spurned malevolent longsuffering.
 
1. How does this square with the Westminster LC Q32's answer stating "provideth and offereth to sinners a Mediator"? It seems the atonement, though strictly particular to the elect of God, is still genuinely offered to the reprobate and "Christ is dead for them."
Could you expand this a little bit? Why appeal to WLC L32's answer? It seems the question itself is strictly particular, WLC Q.32: "How is the grace of God manifested in the second covenant?" and the second covenant, commonly called the covenant of grace, was described at WLC Q.30
Q. 30. Doth God leave all mankind to perish in the estate of sin and misery?
A. God doth not leave all men to perish in the estate of sin and misery, into which they fell by the breach of the first covenant, commonly called the Covenant of Works; but of his mere love and mercy delivereth his elect out of it, and bringeth them into an estate of salvation by the second covenant, commonly called the Covenant of Grace.

Also, WSC Q.20 and WCF 7:3 have similar words to show that it is God's mere good pleasure and grace that he offereth Redeemer, life, and salvation by Jesus Christ.
 
Could you expand this a little bit? Why appeal to WLC L32's answer? It seems the question itself is strictly particular, WLC Q.32: "How is the grace of God manifested in the second covenant?" and the second covenant, commonly called the covenant of grace, was described at WLC Q.30
Q. 30. Doth God leave all mankind to perish in the estate of sin and misery?
A. God doth not leave all men to perish in the estate of sin and misery, into which they fell by the breach of the first covenant, commonly called the Covenant of Works; but of his mere love and mercy delivereth his elect out of it, and bringeth them into an estate of salvation by the second covenant, commonly called the Covenant of Grace.

Also, WSC Q.20 and WCF 7:3 have similar words to show that it is God's mere good pleasure and grace that he offereth Redeemer, life, and salvation by Jesus Christ.
"provideth and offereth to sinners a Mediator" - If "sinners" includes all men who hear the gospel, then the offer to the reprobate is "well-meant" because a Mediator has been provided.
 
You are arguing that since such "general love" doesn't accomplish salvation, it is ineffectual and therefore erroneous. However, your reasoning is the exact opposite of Rutherford's logic below. He specifically states God has a general love for all men, that the reprobate are sent the gospel, and genuinely invited to repent. That they don't is no miscarriage of such love, and consistent with what he ultimately "willeth to them" by decree.

There is a second love and mercy in God, by which he loves all men and angels, yea, even his enemies, makes the sun to shine on the unjust man as well as the just, and causeth dew and rain to fall on the orchard and fields of the bloody and deceitful man, whom the Lord abhors, as Christ teacheth us, Matt. 5:43-48. Nor doth God miscarry in this love. He desires the eternal being of damned angels and men; he sends the gospel to many reprobates, and invites them to repentance and with longanimity and forbearance suffereth pieces of froward dust to fill the measure of their iniquity, yet does not the Lord’s general love fall short of what he willeth to them.

Rutherford says He desires the eternal being of men. And that is exactly what He gives the reprobate in hell. His general love doesn't fall short of what He willeth to them because He does not will to save them from hell. It is straightforward language and easily understood for one who is willing to accept it.
 
Rutherford affirms 3 types of love that “do not miscarry” meaning they accomplish what is intended.

"We know but three sorts of love that God has to the creature, all the three are like the fruitful womb; there is no miscarrying, no barrenness in the womb of divine love."

You are arguing that since such "general love" doesn't accomplish salvation, it is ineffectual and therefore erroneous. However, your reasoning is the exact opposite of Rutherford's logic below. He specifically states God has a general love for all men, that the reprobate are sent the gospel, and genuinely invited to repent. That they don't is no miscarriage of such love, and consistent with what he ultimately "willeth to them" by decree.

There is a second love and mercy in God, by which he loves all men and angels, yea, even his enemies, makes the sun to shine on the unjust man as well as the just, and causeth dew and rain to fall on the orchard and fields of the bloody and deceitful man, whom the Lord abhors, as Christ teacheth us, Matt. 5:43-48. Nor doth God miscarry in this love. He desires the eternal being of damned angels and men; he sends the gospel to many reprobates, and invites them to repentance and with longanimity and forbearance suffereth pieces of froward dust to fill the measure of their iniquity, yet does not the Lord’s general love fall short of what he willeth to them.
What definitions of "elect" and "reprobate" are you working with?

Can you define the two terms clearly and succinctly?
 
"provideth and offereth to sinners a Mediator" - If "sinners" includes all men who hear the gospel, then the offer to the reprobate is "well-meant" because a Mediator has been provided.
The scriptural supports for this portion of the answer, Genesis 3:15 (God promises man to provide the Christ), Isaiah 42:6 (God promises Christ that he would be offered to the people as a covenant), and John 6:27 (Christ offers himself as mediator to the people), don't suggest that the provision and offer of mediatorship applies to sinners in general. Specifically, in John 6 Jesus explains to the multitude that he will mediate for all those whom the Father has given to him. In fact, many of those to whom he preached were likely reprobates who sought him out only to eat perishable bread.

The wording of the subordinate standards means what the supporting scripture means. We shouldn't delve into that wording but into the scripture it indexes.
 
Rutherford affirms 3 types of love that “do not miscarry” meaning they accomplish what is intended.

"We know but three sorts of love that God has to the creature, all the three are like the fruitful womb; there is no miscarrying, no barrenness in the womb of divine love."

You are arguing that since such "general love" doesn't accomplish salvation, it is ineffectual and therefore erroneous. However, your reasoning is the exact opposite of Rutherford's logic below. He specifically states God has a general love for all men, that the reprobate are sent the gospel, and genuinely invited to repent. That they don't is no miscarriage of such love, and consistent with what he ultimately "willeth to them" by decree.

There is a second love and mercy in God, by which he loves all men and angels, yea, even his enemies, makes the sun to shine on the unjust man as well as the just, and causeth dew and rain to fall on the orchard and fields of the bloody and deceitful man, whom the Lord abhors, as Christ teacheth us, Matt. 5:43-48. Nor doth God miscarry in this love. He desires the eternal being of damned angels and men; he sends the gospel to many reprobates, and invites them to repentance and with longanimity and forbearance suffereth pieces of froward dust to fill the measure of their iniquity, yet does not the Lord’s general love fall short of what he willeth to them.
You're failing to distinguish between God's Legislative Will and His Decretive Will. MW is trying to note it, but you're reading all the notes about God's Legislative will as if it moves itself back into the decree. I'm busy at the moment, but I will quote from Van Mastriht on this when I have a chance.
 
The scriptural supports for this portion of the answer, Genesis 3:15 (God promises man to provide the Christ), Isaiah 42:6 (God promises Christ that he would be offered to the people as a covenant), and John 6:27 (Christ offers himself as mediator to the people), don't suggest that the provision and offer of mediatorship applies to sinners in general. Specifically, in John 6 Jesus explains to the multitude that he will mediate for all those whom the Father has given to him. In fact, many of those to whom he preached were likely reprobates who sought him out only to eat perishable bread.

The wording of the subordinate standards means what the supporting scripture means. We shouldn't delve into that wording but into the scripture it indexes.
Thank you for engaging my question. Not parsing the uninspired words of the WCOF and looking to the supporting scriptures for clarity seems very wise. I will do this.
 
You're failing to distinguish between God's Legislative Will and His Decretive Will. MW is trying to note it, but you're reading all the notes about God's Legislative will as if it moves itself back into the decree. I'm busy at the moment, but I will quote from Van Mastriht on this when I have a chance.
I’m no theologian, so I would need to look up legislative will . I was just trying to make sense of Rutherford’s statement. I don’t believe my interpretation attempts to move anything back into the decree. What I think he is saying is that the “general love” of God desires repentance from all who hear which includes the reprobate. Though no provision is made for the reprobate with respect to the atonement, it does not preclude a “well-meant” offer rooted in common love.
 
What I think he is saying is that the “general love” of God desires repentance from all who hear which includes the reprobate. Though no provision is made for the reprobate with respect to the atonement, it does not preclude a “well-meant” offer rooted in common love.

What you think he is saying is contrary to what he actually says over and over and over again.

Samuel Rutherford: "but the truth is, God’s general love to Arminians, is a faint desire, and a wish that all and every one, men and angels, be saved: and bestowing on them means, 1. Which the Lord knows shall plunge them deeper in hell, and make their everlasting chains heavier and more fiery; better he love them not.”

Samuel Rutherford: This is “repugnant to his will which is irresistible, and cannot miss its end. 2. To his immutability, which cannot be compelled to take a second port, whereas he cannot fail the first. 3. To his omnipotency, who cannot be resisted. 4. To his happiness, who cannot come short of what his soul desires. 5. To his wisdom, who cannot aim at an end, and desire it with his soul, and go about it by such means as he seeth shall be utterly uneffectual and never produce his end; and not use these means which he knoweth may, and infallibly doth, produce the same end in others.”
 
If "sinners" includes all men who hear the gospel, then the offer to the reprobate is "well-meant" because a Mediator has been provided.
WLC Q.22: Address that all mankind fall in the first transgression; the covenant is being made with Adam and he is federal head, and "all mankind descending from him by ordinary generation, sinned in him, and fell with him in that first transgression."
Therefore, all men are sinners.

In WLC Q:30, we see God doesn't leave all mankind to perish in the estate of sin and misery, but of his mere love and mercy delivereth his elect out of it by second covenant, and WLC Q:31 addresses to whom this covenant is made, and that was with Christ as the second Adam, and in him with all the elect as his seed.
When we get to WLC Q:32, answer how the grace of God manifested in the second covenant, and the grace of God is manifested with all saving graces.

It seems to me the Catechism is saying that everybody is a sinner and deserves the punishments of sin, but God, by his mercy and grace, saves some sinners, and he did so in Jesus Christ, and this is manifested when God freely provideth and offereth to sinners a Mediator and life and salvation by him; and, requiring faith as the condition to interest them in him, promiseth and giveth his Holy Spirit to all his elect, to work in them that faith, with all other saving graces; and to enable them unto all holy obedience, as the evidence of the truth of their faith and thankfulness to God, and as the way which he hath appointed them to salvation.
 
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I’m no theologian, so I would need to look up legislative will . I was just trying to make sense of Rutherford’s statement. I don’t believe my interpretation attempts to move anything back into the decree. What I think he is saying is that the “general love” of God desires repentance from all who hear which includes the reprobate. Though no provision is made for the reprobate with respect to the atonement, it does not preclude a “well-meant” offer rooted in common love.
The issue is that you have to distinguish the "will" in God to save the reprobate and the "will" that all should repent. There is no way to separate God's will from His essence, so one has to account for the manner in which He desires the salvation of the reprobate.

Van Mastricth writes:
1. Do the Reformed, by their arguments, undermine God’s omnimodal truthfulness and teach that God pretends? The calumnies of our adversaries

VIII. It is asked, first, whether the Reformed, by their arguments, undermine God’s omnimodal truthfulness and teach that God pretends. All of our adversaries, although by different hypotheses and in different degrees, agree in the affirmative. The Pelagians and all Pelagianizers—papists, Socinians, Remonstrants, and Lutherans—in order more effectively to denigrate the Reformed churches among their own people, and to remove and keep them from the Reformed communion, heap up such calumnies in cart loads. They observe, as it seems to them, that on the one hand God says in his own Word that he does not will the death of the sinner (Ezek. 18:23, 32), and that on the other hand the Reformed teach that he wills the death of the sinner and that he has determined it by an immutable decree of reprobation. Again, on the one hand God declares in his Word that he wills all to be saved (1 Tim. 2:4 ff), and on the other hand the Reformed teach that God does not will that all be saved. Furthermore, God offers all his own Son as the Redeemer, inviting them with excellent reasons to take hold of him as he is offered, with a living faith, and to repent of their sins, and yet meanwhile he does not will that all would believe, repent, and attain salvation, and thus, according to Reformed doctrine, he is a pretender. Consequently, God declares that he wills what he does not will, and thus he is not truthful in all things.

The true opinion of the Reformed

The Reformed, on the contrary, frankly testify publicly before God that they believe that God is truthful in all things, and that his words always correspond in perfect detail both to the things about which he has spoken and to his own mind, and likewise that he always wills what he declares that he wills, but that he wills it in the way he wills. If he declares that he wills a futurity or an outcome, then that outcome will always occur. If he should declare that he wills something to be our duty, that we should do it, or do something else, or not do it, then that is always our duty, although it may not be done in actuality. On this point the Reformed distinguish the will of God into his legislative will, by which he wills and determines what we ought to do or not do, but only de jure, regarding the rule, and not regarding the outcome; and his decretive will, by which he wills and determines what he himself wills to do, either what will come to pass or what will not, but only de facto, regarding what actually happens, and not what ought de jure to be done or not. For this reason, God wills many things by his legislative will that do not occur de facto. For example, he willed that Pharaoh should let Israel go de jure, that is to say, God willed something to be the duty of Pharaoh that he did not will de facto. Conversely, he wills many things de facto, for example, all sins that are committed, that he does not will de jure or as our duty. We will present this again more distinctly, God willing, in the following chapter.4

The objections of our adversaries are quelled.

Based on this distinction, we respond to the objections in this way: (1) that God does not desire the death of the sinner is by his legislative will, since in earnest he wills that there be an inseparable connection between the conversion of a sinner and his salvation, and thus in earnest he invites all to conversion and in earnest promises life to anyone who is converted to him, even if at the same time he does not will this by his decretive will, that is, even though he did not decree from eternity to confer, by his own grace, faith and repentance upon all sinners, and so to save them in actuality. Thus the judgment of the Reformed is nothing other than that God in the will of his eternal decree does not will that each and every sinner be saved in actuality, something that I know not even our adversaries dare to say. But again they say (2) that God declares that he wills it. I respond: (a) The Reformed do not deny that God wills all to be saved, but they do deny that God wills each and every individual to be saved. They deny that God says this in his Word anywhere. He wills that all be saved, that is, all who believe and repent, from any nation or rank among men (Rev. 5:9; 7:9). Next, (b) God wills it by his legislative will, that is, he wills to prescribe faith and repentance for all (Acts 17:30), in earnest promising salvation to those who believe and repent, and willing in earnest to save them. However, he does not will this by his decretive will, that is, he has not decreed from eternity that all attain salvation in actuality. And thus we proceed to the third objection, (3) that God is a pretender when he offers salvation to sinners by so many and such excellent arguments and yet does not will to confer it to them. I respond, God, according to the Reformed, does offer in earnest remission of sins and eternal salvation to sinners who believe and repent (Ezek. 18), although he never decreed from eternity to confer to each and every person to whom he offers it the grace of faith and conversion, and thus to save them. For this reason, in the opinion of the Reformed, he is not a pretender.
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The distribution of the divine will: The will of the sign and will of good pleasure

XXII. Now, nothing remains except that we should add a few things about the distribution of the divine will. By all means, the will of God is one and only one, yet it is distinguished by us into various modes, first on account of the different kinds of things that it wills, next on account of the different modes in which we see that it wills what it wills. Thus they distinguish the will of God, first, into the will of the sign and the will of good pleasure. The latter denotes the decree of God itself, either his effective decree of good or his permissive decree of evil: “He does whatever he pleases” (Ps. 115:3) and “Yes, Father, so it has pleased you” (Matt. 11:25–26; Luke 12:32). But the former generally denotes some sort of indication by which God wills something to be signified to us, either that it would be simply believed and acknowledged, to which pertains his prediction, fulfillment, and remembrance of things or deeds, or, that our actions would be obliged to it as a norm, to which pertains, first, his command, promise, exhortation, invitation, and persuasion; next, his prohibition, threatening, dissuasion, warning, and so forth. Specifically, however, in thus contrasting the former with the latter, we customarily look to the commandment, that is, the sign commanding or prohibiting a specific effect of the divine will, for which reason they also call the will of the sign the will of the commandment.

Secret and revealed will

XXIII. Furthermore, second, they divide God’s will into his secret and revealed will, according to Deuteronomy 29:29. Understand by the word secret those things that God decreed either to do or to permit and that he has so far not revealed, either by their outcome or by a prophecy. Consequently, they do not supply to us a way to know our norm; indeed, modesty requires that in investigating these things we would not be too curious. But the things that have been revealed to us oblige us immediately to assent and faith, and the things in them that are commanded for our doing or prohibited for our avoidance require obedience on the spot, and thus, putting aside all curiosity, we must carefully study their observance.

Absolute and conditioned will

XXIV. They employ, third, the distinction between God’s absolute and conditioned will, not of course with respect to the act of God who wills, for in that way all his will is absolute, but with respect to the things willed by God in this act. For God wills that some things occur absolutely but other things under a condition. Thus he wills regeneration, faith, and repentance in the elect absolutely, but in such a way that salvation comes to them under the condition of faith and repentance. But, seeing that this distinction is often stolen and used in a worse sense by the Pelagians and Pelagianizers (as we will teach on it a little further on),10 it is generally disregarded by the orthodox.

Decretive and legislative will

XXV. But, fourth, the most accurate distinction of all is between God’s decretive and legislative will, or his will of plan and will of precept. Of these, by the former he determines events, that is, what is to be or not to be de facto, whether it is good or evil. By the latter, he determines what is to be or not to be de jure only. Included under God’s decretive will are: (1) predestination, election, reprobation, and preterition; (2) the covenant of grace, concerning the salvation of the elect, between the Father and the Son; (3) the absolute promises of regeneration, sanctification, faith, and perseverance; (4) the complements of these promises, by discriminating grace, and so forth. To God’s legislative will or will of precept belong precepts and prohibitions, promises and threats. Concerning this distribution, this must be carefully noted: just as the decretive will only determines the occurrence or futurity of a thing, but does not, however, determine its moral goodness and badness (for it determines promiscuously the occurrences of good and evil things), so the legislative will only determines the goodness and badness of the thing willed, while in the meantime it states nothing about the futurity or non-futurity of the same.

The double consequence

From this we evidently perceive (1) by what reckoning the will of God is always and universally effective: the former, that is, the decretive will, is so according to the event, and the latter legislative will is so according to our duty, while at the same time he wills in earnest by his legislative will many things that never occur, just as also many things occur by his decretive will that he does not will. And so we perceive from this as well (2) that there is nothing in these wills on God’s part that is repugnant, since they do not will the same thing or in the same way.

The use of this distribution

XXVI. Therefore, when this distinction is neglected you will in no way escape the following difficulties: (1) there would be contrary wills in God, by which God wills and does not will the same thing. (2) Certain wills of God would be ineffective because they do not achieve his intent. Consequently, (3) the will of God would not be omnipotent, and (4) he would not be blessed in every way, because what he wills in earnest he does not achieve. On the contrary, when you rightly distinguish the efficacy of the one from the other, as we have said, not only will you entirely avoid conflict and ineffectiveness in the divine wills, but you will also most fittingly free him from the idea of pretending, about which our adversaries continuously growl at us, saying that God (in our opinion, that is) indicates that he wills many things that he does not in fact will, and thus he pretends. Without any trouble we will answer back that God always wills in fact what he indicates that he wills. But what he wills by his legislative will, although he wills its goodness, yet he does not immediately will its futurity, nor does he indicate it.

The Elenctic Part

It is asked: 1. Is there such a will in God that depends upon a condition to be supplied by creatures?

XXVII. It is asked, first, whether there is such a will in God that depends upon a condition to be supplied by creatures. The crass Pelagians of old—whom now the Socinians join—out of a love for independent free choice, by which it could will anything without any predetermination of the divine will, stated that there is such a will in God that wills only if the creature wills, that desires, that chooses only as the creature wills, a will that is saddened, that is pained because the creature does not will what he wills. The semi-Pelagians, with whom the Jesuits, the Arminians, and others collude, out of a love for the same independent freedom, and so that they may suspend man’s conversion on his free choice, although they profess some sort of dependence upon a general influence of God’s providence, upon his concursus with the willing creature, upon his influence on what is effected, they notwithstanding want that first act of the creature’s will, by which it determines itself, to be thoroughly independent, and thus they teach such a will in God that anticipates that first determination and depends upon it. The Lutherans, out of hatred for an absolute divine will, especially in the matter of reprobation, and out of a love for a universal salvation of each and every person, admit such a will in which he wills their salvation under a condition: if only they themselves will it. They all agree on this, that in many things God’s willing is suspended upon a condition to be fulfilled in advance through the free choice of the creatures, and because this condition is not fulfilled, God is frequently frustrated in his intent. Thus, according to them, he wills, for example, that all his commandments be kept most exactly, if, that is, men will to do so. He likewise wills each and every one to be saved, if only they themselves will to believe in Christ, to repent from their sins, and to labor to do good works. Thus, in place of the absolute willing of God they admit nothing but a certain suspended willingness.

The Reformed, although they acknowledge a will in God that suspends this or that event upon this or that condition, for example, the salvation of Peter upon his faith, a will which likewise in this sense could be called conditioned, nevertheless do not acknowledge any will of God that depends upon any condition, because (1) Scripture, in the sense already spoken of, teaches only such a will of God that is absolute, the will by which “he does all that he wills” (Ps. 115:3): “My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my will” (Isa. 46:10). But a conditional will that depends upon the human will does not do anything, nor can it. (2) Scripture proclaims an absolute will, even in the things that presuppose man’s free choice: “He gives to will and to do for his own good pleasure” (Phil. 2:13), “The heart of a man will plan his way, but Jehovah will direct his steps” (Prov. 16:9), and “The heart of the king is in the hand of the Lord; he will turn it to whatever he wills” (Prov. 21:1). (3) Scripture teaches an absolute will of God, specifically even in the things that respect predestination, election, and reprobation: “He has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills” (Rom. 9:18), and, “It is not of him who wills or of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy” (Rom. 9:16; cf. vv. 19–22). (4) The will of God is the very essence of God, and the essence of God is entirely independent, as most all of our adversaries admit (though the Socinians dissent), while on the contrary, a conditioned will depends upon a condition. Thus, by this hypothesis, God will be dependent, that is, not God. (5) By this conditioned will, man’s free choice would be independent, and thus it would be God. (6) The will of God, by this rationale, would be mutable, and thus the essence of God would be mutable, so then we would have a mutable God, contrary to the Scriptures (Mal. 3:6; James 1:17). (7) Through the same rationale, God would not be omnipotent, for he is not able to do what the creature does not will. (8) Nor would he be most wise, because he wills in earnest what, at least according to the semi-Pelagians, he foresees will never exist. (9) Nor would he be blessed in every way, inasmuch as he does not always achieve what he wills in earnest. (10) Nor would he be the most absolute Lord of all things, inasmuch as to him does not belong power over that condition upon which his will depends, particularly not over man’s free choice and over all those things that depend upon that free choice.

The objections are resolved: Generally, by two observations.

XXVIII. To the things objected on the contrary, you will make a satisfactory answer without any trouble, if first you carefully distinguish between God’s willing and what is willed, which two things meanwhile our adversaries confuse: what belongs to the thing willed they apply to God’s willing, and thus, for example, they refer that condition, such as the faith upon which the will of God suspended the salvation of Peter, to the will of God. You will also answer the objections if, second, you remember that his will must be distinguished into his decretive and legislative will, and accordingly you refer the promises and threats, so often given conditionally, to his legislative will, which determines nothing concerning the occurrence of the things willed, but only concerning their rightness, and which thus does not indicate anything but the mere connection of the thing promised with the prescribed duty. So then to the passages of Scripture raised in objection—Psalm 81:13–14, “Would that my people had heeded me! I would soon have subdued their enemies,” and its parallels (Isa. 48:18; Matt. 23:37; Isa. 5:4, 7; Luke 7:30), inasmuch as in them, God seems to have desired plainly enough a repentance and salvation of the Jews that he never achieved—the response is quite easy: in these and similar passages are contained encouragements to obedience and discouragements from sins, and these are fortified by promises and threats, which are illustrated in various ways, not only with similar things but also with examples, and thus, these encouragements and discouragements pertain to the legislative will, which determines nothing concerning the occurrence of what has been willed, but only denotes the individual connection of the duty with its promise; and by these things, God wills nothing but that men be bound, under the promises and threats, to their prescribed duties.

Specifically

And this is evident, for example, in the adduced passage in Psalm 81, in this way: God exhorts the Israelites that they should heed him (Ps. 81:8–9), he adds promises (v. 10) and threats (vv. 11–12), and finally concludes (v. 13) with “Oh! If my people had heeded me,” signaling that there was no other cause why he had not subdued their enemies and had not fed them with the “fatness of the wheat” than their own disobedience (vv. 14–16). It is a similar case in Isaiah 5:4, 7. The prophet’s design is to call the Jews back from the vices that had been remembered in a lengthy catalog in the last part of this chapter, and to this end he employs, among other things, an argument from God’s kindnesses, which are such that they cannot but clearly show how vigorously he approves of their obedience, which is drawn from them by so many kindnesses, and on the contrary, how he disapproves of their disobedience, which he willed to be connected with such great penalties. So also in Matthew 23:37, the Savior threatens the destruction of the Jews because they obstinately neglected the grace that he offered to them. Although they might also customarily respond in other ways to this passage: that Christ willed the salvation of the Jews, not as God but as man, in pious sympathy, or, if he also willed it as God, then he also achieved it in whom he willed, that is, among the sons of Jerusalem, although the Pharisees opposed him. Finally, in Luke 7:30, when he speaks of the counsel of God scorned by the Pharisees, he does not mean anything except the gospel, and by that, the salvation offered to them under the condition of faith.

2. Should the distinction of the divine will into antecedent and consequent will be sustained?

XXIX. It is asked, second, whether the distinction of the divine will into antecedent and consequent will ought to be tolerated. The first authors of this distinction seem to have been Chrysostom and John of Damascus, and from these the semi-Pelagians—as much the ancient ones as the modern ones, such as the Socinians, Jesuits, Remonstrants, and others—eagerly took it up so that they might more easily defend universal grace and independent human choice.11 By this distinction, God is believed to will something for the rational creature antecedent to one of its acts, something that consequent to the same act, he does not will. Thus they want God to will salvation for all men antecedent to faith or unbelief, though he does not will it for most, having foreseen their unbelief. Their distinction in this matter is this, that God is quite often frustrated antecedently, but never consequently. The cause of this reality is the free choice of creatures, which by its unbelief makes it to happen that, once God’s prior will, which is good and best, and by which he wills a person’s salvation, is abandoned, he proceeds to the other will, by which is decreed a person’s eternal condemnation. Among the Reformed, there are not lacking great men—for example, Du Moulin in his Untying of Most Weighty Questions, Walaeus, Perkins, Twisse, and from the papists, Alvarez in his On the Helps of Divine Grace (bk. 5, disp. 34, no. 2)—who suppose that it can be tolerated in a wholesome sense, that is, if by antecedent will is understood that will of God by which he makes a connection between a certain antecedent and consequent, between a preceding condition (for example, faith and repentance) and some benefit, such that from this connection he promises that whoever believes will be saved, or, if Peter believes, he will be saved; and if by consequent will is understood the execution of the conditioned promise, for example, because Peter believes, he will be saved.12 But indeed, in the Pelagian sense that we have presented, in which the will of God is understood as suspended upon a condition, this distinction cannot in any way be tolerated, for the reasons we argued in the preceding controversy. However, since in the preceding more wholesome sense the distinction is of meager importance and of equally meager use, and on the other hand, since there is a fairly great danger of abuse, it would be preferable not to allow it into the church. Moreover, to the extent that the sense is heterodox, it generally coincides with that which we considered in the two preceding paragraphs, and it falls apart by the reasons given there.

3. Does God will, by his decretive will, that each and every person be saved?

XXX. It is asked, third, whether God wills that each and every person be saved. Once Origen supposed that God, by his decretive will, willed or had decreed from eternity that not only would each and every person at some point finally in actuality be saved, but even the demons themselves. That is, after they by the proper number of years, according to the proportion of the sins they committed, had paid the penalty in hell, they would at last be restored to eternal salvation. To this position came Francesco Pucci the Socinian, and Samuel Huber, a Swiss, who was at first a Reformed preacher, but due to his view of universal grace was removed from the ministry, and from there was supported by the Lutherans and promoted to the ministry, though when he began in their churches to propound with Origen the salvation of each and every person, he was ejected from the ministry all over again. These taught that each and every person would at last arrive at salvation. The Pelagians as well as the Socinians, as also the Jesuits and Arminians, that they might safeguard man’s self-determined13 choice, taught that God indeed wills that each and every person would be saved, but only by his conditioned or antecedent will, if they themselves should have willed to believe and repent. The Lutherans, although they do not profess that the choice is self-determined, nevertheless do profess such a kind of choice which can positively not resist the Holy Spirit as he gives birth, as it were, to conversion and faith in us. They likewise state that God wills that each and every person would be saved. The Reformed indeed do believe that God wills all to be saved, because Scripture constantly testifies to this (1 Tim. 2:4; Ezek. 18:23; 2 Peter 3:9), but they do not believe that he wills that each and every person would be saved,14 because Scripture nowhere says this. Therefore, they admit that God wills that all be saved, that is, anyone, or with Scripture as our interpreter, from every generation, people, and nation (Rev. 5:9), namely, as many as Christ would purchase, as many as would believe; not, however, each and every person. Then they also admit that God wills all to be saved by his antecedent will, in that sense which we designated in the previous paragraph, namely, that God willed that between faith and salvation there would be an inseparable connection by which each and every person who believes would not perish, but have eternal life (John 3:16), and from this connection, he wills to invite anyone, as much the elect as the reprobate, to faith, and under that condition, to offer salvation. But, since we already set aside that distinction of the divine will into antecedent and consequent in the preceding paragraph, we would prefer to state that God wills all to be saved by his legislative will, which determines nothing concerning its occurrence, that is, he has promised that whoever would believe would have eternal life, namely, due to the connection that we have already designated, and due to that connection he offers and promises salvation in earnest to all. He does not will, however, that each and every one will be saved by his decretive will, that is, he has not decreed that all would obtain salvation in actuality.

Arguments of the Reformed

And this, at last, is the true hinge of the controversy, such that if our opponents want to obtain anything against us, they ought to demonstrate that God has decreed that each and every person will be saved, something I know quite well that our adversaries will not undertake, because (1) Scripture expressly testifies that God does not will this—in fact, he wills the contrary (Prov. 1:24–29; Ps. 95:11; Matt. 20:18; John 17:9). (2) In this very business of salvation and predestination he expressly professes that he does not will that each and every person would be saved—in fact, he created the wicked for the day of punishment (Prov. 16:4), he hardens whom he wills (Rom. 9:18), he has prepared vessels of wrath for destruction (Rom. 9:22), and he has prescribed not a few for judgment (2 Peter 2:9). Furthermore, he testifies that (3) he denies the necessary means of salvation to the greatest number (John 17:9), and (4) he does not call each and every one to partake of grace (Ps. 147:20; Acts 14:16). In fact, (5) he forbids the gospel of salvation to be preached to many (Matt. 10:5; Acts 16:6–7). Also, (6) he does not will to give faith to each and every person (2 Thess. 3:2; Acts 13:48). So then it must be entirely denied that God, by his decretive will, wills that each and every person will be saved, unless (7) we wish (a) to lead the divine omnipotence into a most pressing crisis, inasmuch as it cannot achieve what it wills in earnest and intends would happen; (b) to establish contrary wills in God, of which one wills, for example, that Judas be saved, and the other does not; (c) to assert a mutable will for him who is in all things immutable, a will by which now he does not will what previously he earnestly willed; (d) likewise, to attribute an ineffective will to him who can do all that he wills; (e) to attribute to him a will that is dependent upon the creatures, and also temporary; and, in fact, (f) unless we wish to ascribe to the most wise being a fatuous will, a will by which he earnestly wills what he knows that he never will achieve.

4. Is the will of God the sole cause of every moral good? The difference of opinions

XXXI. It is asked, fourth, whether the will of God, just as it is the sole cause of every reality and possibility, is also the sole cause of every moral good. Descartes, together with his followers, as we have already observed above in chapter 13,15 thinks that the cause and root of every moral good is in God’s will insofar as it is absolutely indifferent, willing this thing to be good and that thing to be not at all good. The Reformed (1) consider the will of God on the one hand in the identical sense (if I may use barbarous terms), insofar as it coincides with the very divine essence, and so accordingly it is as if you were asking whether the essence of God or God himself is the cause of every moral good; and in this sense, the Reformed do not answer in the negative. Or on the other hand, they consider the will of God in the formal sense, insofar as the divine essence is conceived by us as constructed with this or that relation: in this sense, the Reformed together deny that his will is the sole cause of all moral good. (2) They distinguish moral good into that which belongs to positive right—and this they acknowledge to depend upon the most free will of God: for example, resting from one’s works precisely on the seventh day is a moral good, but one belonging to positive right—and into that which belongs to natural right, that which rests upon nature itself, either the nature of God or the nature of man, just as in his original righteousness he bears the image of the divine holiness and righteousness, that is, not from God’s will, but from his very essence. (3) They think of any moral good either with respect to its essence or with respect to its existence. Thus, they confess that every good with respect to its existence is from the will of God, insofar as it is the commanding and executing principle in the production of all things (Rev. 4:11), but in respect to its essence, they hold that every natural moral good depends not upon God’s will as such, as a positive good, but upon his nature, as he is God. So think all the Reformed together, if you exclude one or perhaps two who suppose that whatever is right and good is so because God wills it, and not that God wills it because it is right and good.

The arguments of the Reformed

The reasons of the Reformed are that (1) Scripture testifies that God wills many things because they are good and right, which he therefore could not but will: “You will not also destroy the just with the unjust…. Far be it from you that you should do such a thing…. Shall not the judge of the all the earth do judgment,” that is, “do right?” (Gen. 18:23, 25; Rom. 1:32), and, “It is a righteous thing with God to repay with affliction” (2 Thess. 1:6). In fact, evil things are of such a kind and so great that they are repugnant to the purity and holiness of his nature, or of his eyes, such that he cannot look upon these things (Hab. 1:13). (2) If all good depended upon his will, and that will were indifferent from eternity, he would have been able not to prescribe that we know him, love him, revere him, and so forth. In fact, (3) he would have been able to command what is entirely contrary, for example, that we hate him, blaspheme him, rebel against him, and so forth. Indeed, (4) all these things, if he had willed them, would be good and laudable. (5) I will not add anything regarding the ideas in God, which coincide with the nature of God and are infinitely perfect, such that they can be expressed in the creatures in an infinite number of ways, ideas that according to this reckoning would be mutable. Nor also will I add (6) that then not even God himself would be holy, just, good, and so forth, before his will had determined itself to it, and thus he would be holy, just, and good only because he wills to be such. (7) Nor would we in laboring for holiness and righteousness be shaped according to his natural perfection, but only his voluntary perfection, which Scripture argues against (Matt. 5:48; Luke 6:36; 2 Peter 1:4).

Objections

The foundation of our adversaries’ opinion is in three things: (1) if all goodness were not by the will of God, then God would not be in all ways independent and perfect. I respond, It would be true if a good were given that did not depend upon God; but it is one thing to depend upon God and upon the nature of God, and another to depend precisely upon the will of God as such. (2) That otherwise we would have to say that objects have their essence through themselves and are prior, at least in their nature, to the divine will. I respond, Although several things do not depend upon the will of God as such, yet it is not that they do not depend upon God simply, for they depend upon his nature and essence as such. (3) That it would follow in this way that the divine will depends upon other goods, and thus is dependent. I respond, By no means, because those goods depend upon his most holy nature and not vice versa, that the nature of God depends upon them. See also our Gangrene of the Cartesian Innovations (section 2, ch. 9).16

5. Do affections properly belong to God?

XXXII. It is asked, fifth, whether affections properly belong to God, or whether the affections in God are disturbances of the divine will properly speaking, by which the will of God either is conveyed to an object or flees from it, disturbances from which hatred, wrath, pleasure, avoidance, joy, sadness, and other human affections result. The Anthropomorphites will not hesitate to profess that God is endowed with human members and also human affections, nor also will they hesitate to profess the mere willingness of the Pelagians and semi-Pelagians, that is, a willing that is imperfect and suspended upon free human choice, a willing that is in fact nothing except a desire and wish, a willing from which, in addition, wrath, hatred, avoidance, joy, and sorrow are produced. The Socinians, because they hold that God is dependent upon human free choice, also openly assert for him a mutable will and the desire, fear, joy, sorrow, anger, regret, and other affections that arise from it. The Reformed, although they do not at all deny that words that express affections, just as words that express body parts, are employed to speak of God in the Scriptures, and although likewise they acknowledge that when every imperfection is removed from the affections, the substance of those words is in God, even so do not dare to allow in God these disturbances, in which almost the whole nature of affections consists.

Arguments

And this is because (1) Scripture expressly answers the question in the negative (Num. 23:19; 1 Sam. 15:29; Rom. 9:29). In these passages, what is taught concerning the regret of God must be applied by analogy to all affections. Because (2) nature or right reason does not tolerate in the most perfect being the many imperfections of human affections, for example, (a) imperfect willing; (b) the dependence of the affections upon their objects, by which they are influenced; (c) the impotence by which you are not able to do what the affections demand, and the affections are frequently overcome and fade away when they are not satisfied; (d) various mutations, and sometimes such as are quite ignoble, because of which they are customarily called passions. Because of (3) the infinite blessedness of God, which cannot be augmented by any increase of good, nor be touched and violated by any sense of evil, and much less be driven around in so many cycles of the affections.

Objections

Nor do our adversaries respond sufficiently when they claim that whatever there might be of imperfection in these affections does not injure God in the least because it is absorbed by the immeasurable abundance of good that is in him. Indeed, they affirm that even what is especially adverse to him is turned, by his most perfect wisdom and power, to his own good. Indeed, this sort of clever remedy might be able somehow to comfort people who are disturbed by the boiling of their affections, but it cannot take away from God the imperfection with which he cannot be God. For whatever happens, when adverse things fall upon him and they move him, they do not cease to be unpleasant, nor can they finally be crushed by the immense abundance of his felicity without a fight, such that at least some measure of dissatisfaction, wrestling, and as it were, fire and burning of the soul for some time takes its seat in God and disturbs his blessedness, until at last that storm subsides. And our adversaries do not have anything to allege for themselves except that frequently in the Scriptures the affections of love, hatred, regret, etc. are attributed to God, to which the ready response is that: (1) the attributed affections are also expressly removed from him elsewhere, for example, regret is attributed to him in Genesis 6:6 and Jeremiah 18:8, yet on the contrary, the same is removed from him in Numbers 23:19 and 1 Samuel 15:29. And this teaches that affections are attributed to him not without a grain of salt, namely, (2) not according to the affections, or the motions and disturbances of the soul, but only in relation to the effective operations that those affections customarily excite in creatures: that is, the affections that are attributed to God in a human way must not be understood except in a way worthy of God. To the customary places adduced to the contrary (Ezek. 33:11; 2 Peter 3:9; 1 Tim. 2:4), you will thus be able to make a satisfying answer without any trouble, if first you should show generally from the things already said that the discussion is not about the decretive will, but only about the legislative will, by which God wills by ordering that they should convert themselves and receive his reward, eternal life, or, that conversion is their duty and the reward of conversion is life. Moreover, the discussion is not about specific individuals, but about any sort of person. Then second also, it could be responded individually to the passages cited that in Ezekiel 33:11 it does not say that God does not will the death of any sinner, but rather of the one who converts himself: “I do not will the death of the sinner, but that he should be converted and live,” that is, I do not will the death of him who is converted. So also in 2 Peter 3:9, the apostle does not say that God wills all altogether to be saved and none of them to perish, but only all believers: “He is patient toward us, not willing that any of us should perish.” Nor is it said in 1 Timothy 2:4 that God wills for each and every person to be saved, but only “all,” that is, every kind of person, that is, kings and magistrates as well as their subordinates, as the analogy of the context shows. Such a response, with the necessary adjustments, could be applied to a fair number of other Scripture passages.
 
Could you expound this portion of your quoted text. Just getting around to this. I have never read Van Maastricht. “God, according to the Reformed, does offer in earnest remission of sins and eternal salvation to sinners who believe and repent (Ezek. 18), although he never decreed from eternity to confer to each and every person to whom he offers it the grace of faith and conversion, and thus to save them. For this reason, in the opinion of the Reformed, he is not a pretender.”
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The issue is that you have to distinguish the "will" in God to save the reprobate and the "will" that all should repent. There is no way to separate God's will from His essence, so one has to account for the manner in which He desires the salvation of the reprobate.

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Could you expound this portion of your quoted text. Just getting around to this. I have never read Van Maastricht. “God, according to the Reformed, does offer in earnest remission of sins and eternal salvation to sinners who believe and repent (Ezek. 18), although he never decreed from eternity to confer to each and every person to whom he offers it the grace of faith and conversion, and thus to save them. For this reason, in the opinion of the Reformed, he is not a pretender.”
 
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What you think he is saying is contrary to what he actually says over and over and over again.

Samuel Rutherford: "but the truth is, God’s general love to Arminians, is a faint desire, and a wish that all and every one, men and angels, be saved: and bestowing on them means, 1. Which the Lord knows shall plunge them deeper in hell, and make their everlasting chains heavier and more fiery; better he love them not.”

Samuel Rutherford: This is “repugnant to his will which is irresistible, and cannot miss its end. 2. To his immutability, which cannot be compelled to take a second port, whereas he cannot fail the first. 3. To his omnipotency, who cannot be resisted. 4. To his happiness, who cannot come short of what his soul desires. 5. To his wisdom, who cannot aim at an end, and desire it with his soul, and go about it by such means as he seeth shall be utterly uneffectual and never produce his end; and not use these means which he knoweth may, and infallibly doth, produce the same end in others.”
The first Rutherford quote relates to the Arminian view of General Love, not the reformed view espoused by Rutherford here.

Nor doth God miscarry in this love. He desires the eternal being of damned angels and men; he sends the gospel to many reprobates, and invites them to repentance

Rutherford's view, also my view, doesn't include the language of "bestowing on them means" that will fail and plunge them into the depths of hell. The means of faith and repentance do not fail and are only bestowed upon the elect. In a previous post, you said that "He desires their eternal being" is related to having their being in hell. Such an interpretation is incorrect and inconsistent with "he sends the gospel to many reprobates, and invites them to repentance".

The second quote I agree with totally and it does not refute anything I am saying. You left off he is refuting universal redemption.

“We reject their Catholic intentions and decrees, to save and redeem all and every one, which they vainly fancy to be in God

God's well-meant offer is not indicative of any intention or decree to save "all and every one", that is the Arminian view he is refuting.
 
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Could you expound this portion of your quoted text. Just getting around to this. I have never read Van Maastricht. “God, according to the Reformed, does offer in earnest remission of sins and eternal salvation to sinners who believe and repent (Ezek. 18), although he never decreed from eternity to confer to each and every person to whom he offers it the grace of faith and conversion, and thus to save them. For this reason, in the opinion of the Reformed, he is not a pretender.”
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Could you expound this portion of your quoted text. Just getting around to this. I have never read Van Maastricht. “God, according to the Reformed, does offer in earnest remission of sins and eternal salvation to sinners who believe and repent (Ezek. 18), although he never decreed from eternity to confer to each and every person to whom he offers it the grace of faith and conversion, and thus to save them. For this reason, in the opinion of the Reformed, he is not a pretender.”
Expound what? The quote more than adequately explains the distinction that is being made between God's Legislative and Decretive will. Read it again if you don't understand the distinction because I'm not going to explain it any more adequately than Van Mastricht does.

You keep arguing with MW over Rutherford's quotes when it is plain that Rutherford is employing this distinction in the will of God. You might as well be arguing with the Reformed about whether or not God truly "repents" or whether middle knowledge is a Biblical category by your failure to distinguish what is being articulated.

My suggestion is to stop arguing about whether or not Rutherford taught a desire in God for the salvation of all until you understand the very well-understood distinction that Van Mastricht is articulating. Read it three or four times and let it sink in. Note, especially, the consequences that it offers about God if this distinction is abandoned.
 
"although he never decreed from eternity to confer to each and every person to whom he offers it the grace of faith and conversion"

Mastricht clearly states God offers it to more people than He decreed unto salvation, therefore, according to Mastricht, it is offered "in earnest" to the reprobate. You make him out to be a "Pretender", the very accusation he is refuting.
 
The first Rutherford quote relates to the Arminian view of General Love, not the reformed view espoused by Rutherford here.

Nor doth God miscarry in this love. He desires the eternal being of damned angels and men; he sends the gospel to many reprobates, and invites them to repentance

Rutherford's view, also my view, doesn't include the language of "bestowing on them means" that will fail and plunge them into the depths of hell.

Would you please read what you are quoting. His love does not miscarry. He desires the eternal being of the damned and they live eternally in a state of damnation. He sends the gospel to reprobates and so they are invited to repentance. He fulfils all His desire on them. But according to you He desires their salvation, not their damnation, when He invites them to repentance. According to you His love miscarries. It fails to effect what it desires.

The second quote I agree with totally and it does not refute anything I am saying. You left off he is refuting universal redemption.

“We reject their Catholic intentions and decrees, to save and redeem all and every one, which they vainly fancy to be in God

God's well-meant offer is not indicative of any intention or decree to save "all and every one", that is the Arminian view he is refuting.

I am glad you reject this part of the Arminian scheme. Now walk another step with Rutherford and reject their Catholic "desires" along with their Catholic decrees. The universal "desire," as clearly pointed out, is the first universalism which Rutherford rejects.

This is clearly identified to be the Arminian position by numerous Reformed writers.

Obadiah Sedgwick likewise identified this doctrine as the first universalism in the system of Arminian errors: “Before I present you some Arguments against this Opinion, I shall crave your favour, that I may spread the whole sum and frame of it, as it is by the Arminians themselves set forth in their writings; they teach: 1. That upon the fall of mankind, in Adam, there was a gracious affection in God, by which he was yet mercifully affected to love all and every man (alike) so as seriously to desire the salvation of all men, and of every particular man, Ut nullus omnino homo sit, cujus salutem non velit; so that there was not any one man, whose salvation God did not will.” (Bowels of Tender Mercy, 295.)

John Owen’s Display of Arminianism identified unfulfilled desires and desires for the salvation of all men as a common Arminian teaching: “And here, methinks, they place God in a most unhappy condition, by affirming that they are often damned whom he would have to be saved, though he desires their salvation with a most vehement desire and natural affection, – such, I think, as crows have to the good of their young ones: for that there are in him such desires as are never fulfilled, because not regulated by wisdom and justice, they plainly affirm; for although by his infinite power, perhaps, he might accomplish them, yet it would not become him so to do. (Works, 10:50.)

The same book provides examples of Arminian sentiments, and these include the following: “We nothing doubt but many things which God willeth, or that it pleaseth him to have done, do yet never come to pass,” Corvinus. “We grant that some of God’s desires are never fulfilled,” Idem. “It is in the power of man to hinder the execution of God’s will,” Idem. “It is ridiculous to imagine that God doth not seriously will any thing but what taketh effect,” Episcopius. “It may be objected that God faileth of his end: this we readily grant,” Rem. Synod. (Ibid., 52.) Dr. Owen opposed and refuted this teaching by clearly stating the express testimony of Holy Scripture to the contrary.

John Brown of Wamphray identified this universalism as one of the foundation-stones of the Arminian doctrine of universal redemption: “As also (35.) this is considerable, That the asserting of Universal Redemption goeth not alone; but there are several other Universalities also affirmed, and maintained, either as Consequences, or Concomitants, or Grounds thereof, which the Scripture knoweth not: such as these.
(1.) An Universal Love & Philanthropy, towards all & every one, without any difference: which they lay down, as the ground of the sending of Christ to die for all indiscriminately.
(2.) An Universal Will in God to save all, which they call an Antecedent Will; and hold forth as a Velleity, or a wish & desire, that all might be saved; as if God could not effectuate whatever he desired, or could have velleity towards anything, which either he could not, or would not effectuate.” (Life of Justification, 551 [561].)

William Cunningham identified the doctrine as explicitly Arminian in opposition to the Calvinist view of God’s will: “There are no such difficulties attaching to the Calvinistic, as to the Arminian, doctrines upon this subject... They ascribe to God an antecedent will to save all men… This antecedent will is of course not absolute, but conditional, – not efficacious, but inefficacious. And thus they represent God as willing what never takes place.” (Historical Theology, 2:454-455.)

James Macgregor also expressly identified the teaching as an Arminian error opposed to Calvinism: “Arminianism seeks a warranting ground in a doctrine of ‘general grace;’ that is, of a certain wistfulness on God’s part that all men should be saved, which so far is a saving purpose, – a purpose, however, that does not secure the actual salvation of any one, but only puts it into the minister’s power to say with truth to every sinner, ‘God loves thee,’ where Calvinism only enables him to say, ‘God’s love, with its graces, is offered to thee in the gospel.’” (Blown By the Wind or Growing By the River? Presbyterians On Trial By Their Principles.)

The doctrine of catholic or universal desire is Arminian, not Reformed.
 
I may be subscribing to a misunderstanding of what “well-meant” entails. I do not believe God desires the salvation of everyone, else they would be saved. I thought “well meant” meant just that, that when the the gospel is proclaimed to sinners all that hear are genuinely offered salvation in a way that isn’t “pretend”. This doesn’t mean God desires the salvation of everyone, it just means it’s a real offer to everyone.
 
I may be subscribing to a misunderstanding of what “well-meant” entails. I do not believe God desires the salvation of everyone, else they would be saved. I thought “well meant” meant just that, that when the the gospel is proclaimed to sinners all that hear are genuinely offered salvation in a way that isn’t “pretend”. This doesn’t mean God desires the salvation of everyone, it just means it’s a real offer to everyone.
That's the problem.

There are proper ways of viewing he offer of salvation where the offer of salvation is for all sinners and it is rightly said to be the will of God that the Gospel goes out to all men and that it be preached indiscriminately.

If one fails to distinguish the will of God, however, there is no way to get at the decretive will of God as it is identical to His essence. His will, in one sense, is to will the very thing that He does not command and does not will, in another sense, that creatures need to take seriously.

It depends on the "species" of the way that men understand the "well-meant offer," and without the distinctions previously made, there can be a total hash of what it means that God "genuinely wills" the salvation of all men.

This is why I have urged you to read and re-read van Maastricht and not embarrass yourself by thinking that you've caught others on the horns of a dilemma that is only a dilemma if one is not paying attention to the distinctions that the authors themselves make.

It's very much akin to other fine theological distinctions. One could make a hash over the hypostatic union where someone quotes that the Son of God changes and not recognize that this is true in one sense and true in another. Quoting something back to someone without understanding only demonstrates misunderstanding and not a dilemma.
 
I may be subscribing to a misunderstanding of what “well-meant” entails. I do not believe God desires the salvation of everyone, else they would be saved. I thought “well meant” meant just that, that when the the gospel is proclaimed to sinners all that hear are genuinely offered salvation in a way that isn’t “pretend”. This doesn’t mean God desires the salvation of everyone, it just means it’s a real offer to everyone.

As you have stated it, this is simply "the free offer of the gospel." The purpose of qualifying with a "well-meant offer" is to claim that there is a desire on God's part for the salvation of all who hear it. Personally I don't like ceding the term because the gospel is well-meant, but the advocates of universal desire have co-opted the term for their position, so it becomes necessary to oppose it.
 
As you have stated it, this is simply "the free offer of the gospel." The purpose of qualifying with a "well-meant offer" is to claim that there is a desire on God's part for the salvation of all who hear it. Personally I don't like ceding the term because the gospel is well-meant, but the advocates of universal desire have co-opted the term for their position, so it becomes necessary to oppose it.
Got it, I was arguing the free offer to all who hear is earnest and believe common love explains how it is so, yet it does not prove a desire to save those reprobated.
 
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