Kanye's Movie "Jesus is King"

No disrespect, brother, but with that you have seriously undermined your case.

 

Well how do you explain the line drawn around the building and it's particular shape? It is not drawn in a circle. It is drawn to place the circular building in a particular spot within the area. And it looks like an eye.

 

How so?

 

Well, now you've put it that way...

(Seriously, if this Turrell fellow was intending to design this thing to look like the Eye of Horus... Well, maybe it's one of those things that look better on paper.)

 

Because it's the M.O. of conspiracy theorists. Take a subjective image and claim there is an indisputable connection with... [whatever their pet theory is].

 

I have to wonder at Christians who cry "conspiracy theory". Read your Bible. Are you telling me there aren't conspiracies in the world against the church, against truth, against righteousness? Christians should be a little more concerned with Satan who is a prowling lion looking for whom he may devor and a little less concerned with not being labeled as one of those "kooks". Crying conspiracy theorist is the same thing as crying nazi or racist: it means nothing, only intended to shut down debate. This is doubly ironic the day after it was revealed that ABC news suppressed a sex trafficking story about Epstein despite having ample evidence. Just the latest "conspiracy theory".

"The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed." Psalm 2:2

 

Don't be ridiculous.

 

Alexander does have a point about conspiracy theories in general, even if you do not think that what he is saying is relevant to this specific issue. Too often they are dismissed out of hand.

That being said, even as a devout watcher of Alex Jones I am not presently convinced by the thesis being set forth in this thread.

 

What do you mean by this? Answer what I said or don't say anything. I have given Scripture which describes conspiracy against the truth and you come back with this feeble response. You will clearly turn a blind eye to anything which might suggest your new pet "convert" isn't all he's cracked up to be.

 

Wilfully refusing to see because they are more interested in the credibility that comes from having a celebrity claim to be a Christian than maintaining Biblical standards in examining such claims.

It is clearly a blessing to you that you are "not on the theological level of most here" if the sort of equivocation and puerile "argument" which has been on display when discussing this topic is the mark of "theological learning". It is clear that when the rubber hits the road many people are unwilling to submit to Biblical teaching, more concerned with justifyting their own notions and their own practices than reducing such to the Bible.

Please do not allow such people to make you think your understanding of Scripture is deficient. Your discernment on this issue has been exemplary for you have allowed the Bible and nothing else to influence your thinking.

 

Excellently put.

So ironic that in another thread Doug Wilson (a heretic) is being slammed across the board but we daren't say anything against Kanye West. I suppose some people would rather have Kanye preach to them than Doug Wilson. I would prefer neither.

 

We've got two or three threads on this, countless posts, and it is just turning into meaningless repetition of the same points over and over. There is no longer any edification. The discussion has reached its limit.

I do not ask you to "go home." I do not think your concerns are unwarranted. If Kanye continues in this way, then that will certainly answer the question of his conversion. You and I agree at least that far.

In the end though, the heart is hidden and out of our jurisdiction. I do not think continuing to hit on this is ultimately helpful. And I think we are out of the path of duty.

This all comes from my own self-examination. Just a month ago I had the most searching questions put to me for examination. One thing happened in that moment: I became much less concerned about getting online and debating, and much more concerned for my personal holiness. I probably went overboard in the baptism debates here, and I dont intend to debate politics or Doug Wilson. Even reading this morning from a Puritan author, contentions and controversies, if we are not careful, keep us from the more necessary things, and we incur sin by it.

I have asked myself, and I am hoping all others here too will ask, Am I nearly as concerned about rooting out sin in my life as exposing Kanye's hypocrisy? A good read-through of John Owen on mortification or on indwelling sin will almost make you forget that there are other sinners in the world.

If anything, if we are going to scrutinize Kanye to the degree we are, we are obligated to be all the more rigorous with ourselves. As Reformed Christians, if we are hard and searching with him, how much all the more with ourselves when we know so much. And if we are, then there's little time left for Kanye.

 

Point well-taken, Randy. Thank you.

Just to clarify my previous remarks: I was not intending to specifically label anyone a conspiracy theorist. I just think that prominently using a questionable tactic common among them, specifically with regard to image association, tends to undermine overall credibility. So I think taking that tack is conspiracy theory-ish. This is similar to knowing that while we have all done fool-ish things in our lives, I would not deem or call anyone here on the PB an actual fool.

 

Conceded. And that is fair. And reflecting, let me be the first to say that though I think I'm speaking truthfully, I've spoken hastily and with undue heat. For that I ask forgiveness,

@My Pilgrim Way
@alexandermsmith

 

I'm just glad Kanye broke free from Monarch programming.

 

Must admit I had to Google that one...

 

A thirty day pause on Kanye threads...

 

I am just rejoicing from a kind, humane standpoint that he isn't be psychologically tortured anymore. I can be "TR" about it later.

 

I don't think you have anything to ask forgiveness for from me. We're all good.

 

Would me dropping Chris Tomlin singing Kanye help with shutting it down?