Since my ipod was stolen, I've been listening to J. Vernon McGee's through the Bible program on the radio. He started Ecclesiastes this week. He was discussing chapter 2 and the vanity of toil. He started talking about some people out there who are fatalists, who believe everything is predetermined. Ecclesiastes 2:11--3:1 (MP3) @ 14:50 in the link below he says: @ 24:00 He starts lumping those who emphasize the doctrine of election together with materialistic humanism and Islam. It's rather strange to hear him say these things. Just the absurdity of what he is saying combined with his unique, confident delivery.