Introducing the Paedo-Baptism Answers forum

Discussion in 'Paedo-Baptism Answers' started by Semper Fidelis, Jun 26, 2008.

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  1. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    I've created this sub-forum to be a non-debating area for members to ask questions and receive clarification on the confessional understanding of the Sacrament of Baptism from Paedo-Bapists only.
  2. Kevin

    Kevin Puritan Board Doctor

    Good idea!
  3. Quickened

    Quickened Puritan Board Senior

    Good call Rich!
  4. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    Heidi Zartman had the idea.
  5. a mere housewife

    a mere housewife Not your cup of tea

    Except that these forums are much less confusing than my idea.


    Thanks very much. I'm really looking forward to using this forum. (Though I want to discuss the last answer I got with Ruben and make sure that my mental fog is at a minimum and I'm asking things as clearly as I can.)
  6. Zenas

    Zenas Snow Miser

    Why'd you have to clarify the purpose to be Baptism related? I was going to ask fellow paedo-baptists what the circumfrence of the sun was and if Big-foot was real.
  7. BobVigneault

    BobVigneault Bawberator

    2,713,406 miles and yes, he lives in the hopes, hearts and minds of oversized shoe manufacturers everywhere. Next question.
  8. smhbbag

    smhbbag Puritan Board Senior

    For both this, and the credo answers forum, will there be multiple paedo/credo perspectives allowed in the answer, so long as there is no direct arguing between the two varying answers?

    "Confessional" can have many interpretations. So is a wide swath of possible paedo answers going to be allowed (with no arguing among themselves), or will it be one 'standard' position as offered by the moderation team?

    Pros and cons both ways. Maybe the answer is obvious and I haven't seen it.
  9. DMcFadden

    DMcFadden Puritan Board Doctor

    Almost one year into PB and the search function still drives me nuts. Could one of my Paedo brethren either direct me to the post on the thread where this is discussed or answer these honest questions.

    * What do you consider the best (i.e., most helpful or persuasive) two statements (books or articles) of the paedo position?

    * How do paedo's respond to Welty and Malone (especially his most recent revised work that came in my mail last week)? (request for bibliographic direction as well as a succinct answer from you all)

    Ten months of PB have taught me to trust the amazing argumentative skills, knowledge base, and bibliographic recommendations of my TR brethren. Your assistance would be most appreciated.
  10. Me Died Blue

    Me Died Blue Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    At least from what I have seen, this article by Dr. Dennis Johnson strikes one of the best balances between being comprehensive yet to-the-point, and certainly being completely focused on the Scriptures:

    Infant Baptism: How My Mind Has Changed
  11. PuritanCovenanter

    PuritanCovenanter Moderator Staff Member

    Are we going to have a Credo Baptist Forum?
  12. a mere housewife

    a mere housewife Not your cup of tea

    tic tac toe.
  13. Me Died Blue

    Me Died Blue Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    Now how many in a row was that again?
  14. Barnpreacher

    Barnpreacher Puritan Board Junior

    Hey, what can we say? We're here to serve on the PB and not just to be served, right?
  15. Semper Fidelis

    Semper Fidelis 2 Timothy 2:24-25 Staff Member

    The rule is that only a person that confesses the position can answer the question.

    I don't want this to degenerate and the only way to ensure this is to rule it this way.

    Sometimes the best case for a position is the positive presentation of the case in order to persuade. Heidi was right to note that some back and forth confuse the issue - especially because some arguments lack validity but partisans cannot always see where a refutation lacks substance.

    I want these two fora to be a place where each Confessional party, that is passionate about its view, gets to put its best foot forward. They "own" the answers.

    I'll leave it to how folks decide to answer. I don't have a problem with people presenting a case by pointing out that " objector might say..." and presenting counter-examples. What I don't want here, for instance, would be people arguing for an FV view of paedo-baptism. For that matter, I would not permit a Free-Will Baptist or Disciples of Christ view of Baptism in the Credo- forum (though I wouldn't expect that).

    Hope this clarifies.
  16. Christusregnat

    Christusregnat Puritan Board Professor


  17. ChristopherPaul

    ChristopherPaul Puritan Board Senior

    I can see it now... a thread will be started in one forum and a refutation to that thread will be started in the other. :doh:

    Although I expect such as I described above, I think this is a great idea to foster learning.
  18. DMcFadden

    DMcFadden Puritan Board Doctor

    Ahem, excuse me, anybody home? In addition to rejoicing in the virtues of one of these threads, does anyone else have an answer to my question? That nice young Chris Blum helped this old man find Dennis Johnson's article. Could another one of my Paedo brethren either direct me to the post on the thread where infant baptism is discussed or answer these honest questions.

    Thank you, thank you very much. OK folks, get back to work. Nothing to see here.
  19. greenbaggins

    greenbaggins Administrator Staff Member

    Dennis, I can't help you with the latter question, as I don't have Welty and Malone (where are they to be found?). However, I can help you with the first question. Without a doubt, the best defense of paedo-baptism is Pierre Marcel's book "The Biblical Doctrine of Infant Baptism." Dealing with Paul K. Jewett's book very well (and seemingly every other issue, as well) is the Strawbridge edited volume, The Case for Covenantal Infant Baptism. I highly recommend both resources. There are others as well, such as John Murray's book Christian Baptism, and the five volume series by Dale on the word baptizo, mentioned in other posts, but which you seem unwilling to purchase because of time constraints.
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  20. Me Died Blue

    Me Died Blue Puritan Board Post-Graduate

    Here is a thread from '06 where several people on the board, including Matthew (Winzer), Philip A, Rich and Bruce, responded to a paper of Welty's, which was originally a response to some of Calvin's argumentation for paedobaptism.
  21. DMcFadden

    DMcFadden Puritan Board Doctor

    Thanks, Lane, I knew that they had been discussed but could not navigate the serch function as effectively as I would have liked to do. I ordered Strawbridge and Marcel at your recommendation and downloaded Johnson at Chris' suggestion too. You're correct, five volumes on baptism is more than I can manage just now.
  22. Jerusalem Blade

    Jerusalem Blade Puritan Board Post-Graduate


    Thanks -- I think these two forums are a great idea.

    Uninterrupted presentations may then be given, with possible corrections (iron sharpening iron) from like-minded believers.
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