CalvinandHodges
Puritan Board Junior
Hi:
Iconoclast writes:
Anthony:
The definition of a "disciple" or "learner" is one that excludes every single individual in a nation. A "disciple" is one who is under the teaching authority of the Church. The Great Commission clearly teaches us to baptize disciples. The question concerning infant baptism is whether or not the definition of a disciple can be placed upon the children of believers.
If the Scriptures command believing parents to disciple their children, "Bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord," then it does not forbid the children of believers the external rite of Baptism.
The credo-baptist position of "converts only" is not found in the Scriptures. A convert is a subcategory of "disciple," and, therefore, converts are baptized. But the criteria for baptism is not conversion, but being a disciple of Jesus.
To give you an example: I could go to a college Biology class and learn (be discipled) about Evolution, but that does not mean I believe it.
Blessings,
Rob
Iconoclast writes:
Hello Rob,
If I follow the "logic" of your post, You say:
So Rob, are you saying that the Great Commision advocates baptizing all the unbelievers in the nations,[bringing them under the church teaching] as you seem to be putting the cart before the horse?I would then point out that disciples are not converts.Go ye therefore, and disciple all nations, baptizing them .
If you do not accept that the commision is to make disciples {true disciples}
we do not want to "make Judas,or those in Jn.6:66"
In your zeal to put forth your padeo position,you are twisting the great commision, playing with the definition of the word disciple.
It seems as if it is a false premise.
Anthony D'Arienzo
Sunday School Teacher
Hope Reformed Baptist Church:
Medford, N.Y.
Anthony:
The definition of a "disciple" or "learner" is one that excludes every single individual in a nation. A "disciple" is one who is under the teaching authority of the Church. The Great Commission clearly teaches us to baptize disciples. The question concerning infant baptism is whether or not the definition of a disciple can be placed upon the children of believers.
If the Scriptures command believing parents to disciple their children, "Bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord," then it does not forbid the children of believers the external rite of Baptism.
The credo-baptist position of "converts only" is not found in the Scriptures. A convert is a subcategory of "disciple," and, therefore, converts are baptized. But the criteria for baptism is not conversion, but being a disciple of Jesus.
To give you an example: I could go to a college Biology class and learn (be discipled) about Evolution, but that does not mean I believe it.
Blessings,
Rob
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